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Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Andrew Moglestue
 

Any idea what the purpose of the test was? (the test of the DB 103 on BLS)


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Guerbetaler
 

The number list of E40 is about this:

E 40 017,018,019, 138,139,149,150,151,152,177,199, 243,244,251,252 were fitted with Signum in 1964. Many of them had come to Switzerland before. Additionially I found for 1961-63:
E40 157,191, 225,254,255,264.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Alan McMillan
 

Thanks Markus. I've just bought a green E40 and an Ae3/6 pantograph to replace one of the German ones. All I have to do now is create the plates to renumber it as one of the members of the class that worked in Switzerland in 1961-64.

Alan


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.05.2021 um 23:37 schrieb Alan McMillan:
Did it have diamond frame or einholm pantographs when it was loaned?
In EA 10/1977 SwissRail member Stefan Unholz published a photo (scan attached) of the test train with 103 233, from which we can see that it was a single arm pantograph.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Lightsteel Coach Question

Guerbetaler
 

I have uploaded a little drawing of the four basic types of doors on light steel coaches. I have to add that the end position of the folded wings wasn't the same on all coaches. Only photos can say how it was on a deratain coach. The drawing only shows the basic principle.

/SBB/folding-wing-door.jpg

Markus, Gürbetal


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Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.05.2021 um 17:01 schrieb Alan McMillan:
I just need to find out if these locos were blue, green or a mixture.

All E40 were green (until some of them became red).

Only locomotives for 140 km/h or more were allowed to be blue.

A DB Re 4/4 II would have been blue! ;-)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Alan McMillan
 

The 103 is a very handsome beast. I'd jump at the chance to have one of them on my layout. Did it have diamond frame or einholm pantographs when it was loaned?

Alan


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Alan McMillan
 

Thanks very much as always Mike. Now I have an excuse to run one! I just need to find out if these locos were blue, green or a mixture.

Regards

Alan


Re: RhB 6/6ii passenger diagrams Apr 21

gordonwis
 

On Monday, 3 May 2021, 21:41:20 BST, Robin Jorimann <rjorimann@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is it definite that Ge 6/6ii 704 will be preserved? If so it might appear on the Davos - Filisur Erlebnis one day I hope.

What's the betting that this Erlebnis zug being hauled by 702 - instead of the booked Croc, was considered by many as 'boring' in 2017...


Re: Lightsteel Coach Question

csipromo
 

Thank you very much for clearing that up.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Lightsteel Coach Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 07.05.2021 um 06:43 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
Can anybody explain why there are so many differences in the design
of the doors between the A, AB, B and B (middle entrance) coaches?
This was the consequence of a long development between 1935 and 1953. The first coaches appeared with old-type doors in one piece but they had either to be put far back in a recess or then they violated the loading gauge when open. With no automatic door closing available it was a necessity that a train could pull off with open doors. The first coach, which had a large recess, and all luggage vans kept this type of doors.

The first approach for a better solution was sliding doors but they were abandoned as not reliable. Next development was the folding door with wings. Exactly said the doors had two wings that were connected but the wings folded, when the wings were opened. A door had four parts. This was later reduced to three parts, having one wing that didn't fold.

It required some testing with the opening mechanism, because the task of opening doors was left to the passenger. One test was with long levers inside that actuated the doors indirectly. Finally the handle directly at the door was the solution retained.

Not all coaches have the same number of small windows in the doors. Doors made from four parts had two windows in the middle. Doors with three parts had three windows but some exceptions only had two. To make it interesting it wasn't always the same part that came without window.

Coaches with single doors (instead of the double doors) allowed a new construction with only two wings but no folding. This design was developed into what became the Einheitswagen doors.

Last development was the center entrance coaches with double doors.They had folding doors but no wings. The number of parts was also reduced to only two.

Markus


Re: Vectron Question

csipromo
 

Railcolor.net also has 193 492 (the original "Nightpiercer") also back in operation for SBB Cargo International.
491 and 493 still show as WRS Germany.

Regards

Mike


Vectron Question

csipromo
 

https://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1000001&lang=1&file=siem_22359_60&action=image

Railcolor.net has 193 490 listed as leased by SBB Cargo International as of unspecified date

Can anybody confirm this?

Last info that I had was that the locomotive had been leased by WRS.

Regards

Mike C


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

csipromo
 

Sorry, the BLS did testing with a BR 120. SBB did testing with a BR 103 during or shortly after construction of the Heitersberg tunnel on the Zurich-Olten line.

Regards

Mike C


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:00 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


128 001 .... was working EC 101 (Wiesbaden-Brig) between Basel and Brig
Sorry, that should read EC 101 between Bern and Brig


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Martin Baumann
 

I confused two different occaisions:

between 06 and 23.09.1977 103 233 and 3 DB measuring coaches were on loan to SBB running between Zürich and Olten.

The highspeed testing of EWIV was done in Germany:

103 003 reached 256 km/h with 4 EWIV and a DB measuring coach between Gütersloh and Neubeckum in January 1987


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 09:27 PM, csipromo wrote:


The Adtranz 128 (12X) was also frequently seen in Switzerland.
Yes, I had 128 001 from Thun to Spiez 04.08.1998. It was working EC 101 (Wiesbaden-Brig) between Basel and Brig


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.05.2021 um 22:27 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I think that the BLS did testing with a 103 on the Loetschberg line. AFAIR it was not a lease, it was a loan or a joint operation with DB.
The Adtranz 128 (12X) was also frequently seen in Switzerland.
All these testings can't be compared to the lease of E40 and 194, which were put into daily operation and pulled regular trains. The E40 helped until enough RBe 4/4 and Re 4/4 II were delivered. The 194 helped out some 20 years later and were used in heavy freight traffic, especially Weiacher Kies trains and the like.

EA 8/1961 2 E40 149-150 + 2 E91 on lease
11.08.1961 +E40 138-139 until 03.09.1961

05.07.1962 4 E40
31.07.1962 +2 E40
01.10.1962 -2 E40
31.10.1962 -4 E40

04.02.1963 5 E40 Depot Basel until 03.03.1963
18.04.1963 6 E40 138, 139, 150, 152, 177, 191 until 19.05.1963
17.06.1963 4 E40 Depot Basel
08.07.1963 4 E40 Depot Zürich
20.08.1963 4 E40 Depot Bern until 24.11.1963

From EA 8/1963:
In Zürich stehen 2 Lok in Reserve, die beiden andern führen Personen- und Güterzüge auf den Linien Zürich—Zug, —Schaffhausen, —Eschlikon, —Ragaz und —Wettingen. Dieser Einsatz ergibt die in unseren Kreisen
so beliebten internationalen Kombinationen: «Transalpin» Zürich—Basel täglich OeBB-Triebwagen mit DB E 40-Vorspann; 18. 6. Zug 5779 Wettingen—Zürich mit Zuglok C 5/6 2954 und Vorspann E 40; Züge mit E 40-Doppeltraktion; Güterzüge ab Basel mit Be 4/6-Lok und E40-
Vorspann; 8—10.7. Züge 3051/3074 Zürich—Schaffhausen—Zürich mit E 40-Vorspann instruktionshalher; 5. 7. Zug 822 Schaffhausen—Zürich
mit Zuglok E 40 und Schlußlok E 40 in Rückleitung kreuzte in Niederglatt Zug 3043 mit Vorspann E 40.

Pantographs for E40 had been taken from Ae 3/6 10674, Ae 4/7 10910, 10918, 11005. E40 ran without Signum and needed thus two drivers.

Numbers seen: E40 017—19, 139, 149—51, 177, 191, 225, 254—55. 264.
Locomotives returned to Offenbrung every 14 days for maintenance. During this time they were replaced with other locomotives.

E91 on Basler Verbindungsbahn and Hafenbahn

Expo 64 30.04.-25.10.1964
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_64

during Expo: 12 E40 in different places, now fitted with Signum

also E91 in Basel for Verbindungsbahn and Hafenbahn


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

csipromo
 

I think that the BLS did testing with a 103 on the Loetschberg line. AFAIR it was not a lease, it was a loan or a joint operation with DB.

The Adtranz 128 (12X) was also frequently seen in Switzerland.

Regards

Mike C

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