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Re: BLS Liveries

csipromo
 

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:46 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/184625997@N03/48930278098/in/photostream/
I think that the coach in the original blue/beige livery has probably faded from exposure to the elements.
I know that BT changed the shade of green at some point, but I don't think that BLS changed the shade of blue, unless at some point, they adapted some EWI to match the colours of the EWIV, which may have been a little different.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/20070224S674r_837.jpg/800px-20070224S674r_837.jpg

Regards

Mike C


Re: BLS Liveries

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.05.2021 um 22:36 schrieb Guerbetaler:
A 808 is fresh and shiny as it should be shortly after a paint job.
I found a photo, unfortunately not dated, thst shows freshly painted AB and BD in new livery and in the middle a B in the 1976/77 livery. To me the new livery seems to be darker blue. The repainted A 808 of 2011 is clearly darker than this B in original 19766/77 blue.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/184625997@N03/48930278098/in/photostream/

Markus


Re: BLS Liveries

Guerbetaler
 

Am 11.05.2021 um 19:10 schrieb Alan McMillan:
I've attached two pictures...a before and after. The older livery does look a good bit brighter and since it's coupled to a coach with the later version you can see the difference. 
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~bls-bern-loetschberg-simplon-bahn~sonstiges/484001/bls---1-kl-personenwagen-mit.html

Looking at the pictures of the second coach and both coaches together,
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~bls-bern-loetschberg-simplon-bahn~sonstiges/484003/bls---rangierlok-tem-22-225.html
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~bls-bern-loetschberg-simplon-bahn~sonstiges/484000/bls---1-kl-personenwagen-a.html
I don't see a real difference between the two coaches. The photos were taken in 2011 (by Hp. Teutschmann) and show the freshly repainted A 808 in old livery and the not yet repainted A 806 still in the new livery. The colour of A 806 is a bit faded out but basically it's the same. A 808 is fresh and shiny as it should be shortly after a paint job.

Markus


Re: BLS Liveries

Alan McMillan
 

Hi Mike
I've attached two pictures...a before and after. The older livery does look a good bit brighter and since it's coupled to a coach with the later version you can see the difference.

Regards
Alan

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~bls-bern-loetschberg-simplon-bahn~sonstiges/484001/bls---1-kl-personenwagen-mit.html
[The second picture couldn't be located and the copyright is not known.]


11114

Martin Baumann
 

11114 and EWI/II worked 19:06 Basel-Zürich (31577 replacing 77) last night in place of an unavailable ICE. This is reportedly the last ever passenger use of the stock.

Info from David Prior and Bahnforum.ch


Re: RhB : 705

David Prior
 

On 10 May 2021, at 20:21, David Prior via groups.io wrote:

Having been “Abgestellt” since 14th Jan, a nice surprise to see 705 back out and diagrammed to work Ilanz trips 5725/5732 and 5757/5766 tomorrow
... and straight back to work ... 705 is diagrammed 4709/4718 Ilanz mixed tomorrow Weds 12th, plus 1358 St. Moritz-Landquart.

In addition 702 is “pre-allocated” for 1723 on Thursday ; the Rheinschlucht trips have a weekday operation 13th May (Ascension public holiday). Same on Whit Monday, 24th.


Re: BLS Liveries

Guerbetaler
 

Am 11.05.2021 um 15:41 schrieb Alan McMillan:
Has anyone got any information on whether the BLS changed its blue and cream shades when they updated their rolling stock lettering from B L S to BLS Lötschbergbahn? To my eye the earlier blue looks lighter and the cream has a yellowish tint, whereas the newer version's blue appears darker and the cream is more an off-white shade.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLS-Farben

The first blue, applied between 1935 and 1970 was dark, almost violet.

The EW I of 1976/77 seemed to come in a lighter blue.

In 1982 the blue didn't reach as near to the windows as before and the ends of the vehicles bcame all blue. It's possible that this blue was a bit darker than the one of 1976/77, but is clearly not as dark as the version until 1970.

The incriptions changed independetly from the shade of blue, even dark blue emus appeared with [BLS ] Lötschbergbahn inscriptions. The first NPZ delivery still had the conventional wide BLS, SEZ, GBS and BN initials. After 2006 the still remaining coaches got the former RM emblem with "bls" inscription.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: BLS Liveries

csipromo
 

The classic BLS livery first changed to a different look for the BLS text before changing to the BLS Lötschbergbahn markings to conform with the Standards imposed.
AFAIR the new norms were adopted by the BLS, BT and SOB with the company logo on the left and the railroad name to the right.

I have seen slightly different colours used in models. I can recall some slight variations observed on the actual coaches, but I can't say whether those were the original colours or whether it was the result of exposure to the elements over time.

Regards

Mike C


BLS Liveries

Alan McMillan
 

Has anyone got any information on whether the BLS changed its blue and cream shades when they updated their rolling stock lettering from B L S to BLS Lötschbergbahn? To my eye the earlier blue looks lighter and the cream has a yellowish tint, whereas the newer version's blue appears darker and the cream is more an off-white shade.


Re: New Metre Gauge locomotives

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.05.2021 um 21:41 schrieb Thomas:
It would be interesting to see a 6-axle meter gauge loco in Switzerland again.
Me and the meter gauge track wouldn't like to see a Co'Co' locomotive. But a Bo'Bo'Bo' would be welcome.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Metre Gauge locomotives

Thomas
 

On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 11:34 AM, Hans L. wrote:

New FGC from Stadler seems to be rated at 90 t. They will be CoCo.
So these would fit the weight limit. It would be interesting to see a 6-axle meter gauge loco in Switzerland again.

Rgds, Thomas.


RhB : 705

David Prior
 

Having been “Abgestellt” since 14th Jan, a nice surprise to see 705 back out and diagrammed to work Ilanz trips 5725/5732 and 5757/5766 tomorrow


Re: New Metre Gauge locomotives

Hans L.
 

Euskotren Bimodal: http://www.traction-electrique.ch/documents/Fich1108.pdf

New FGC from Stadler seems to be rated at 90 t. They will be CoCo.


Re: SBB Ta (was Re: unidentified locomotives)

Martin Baumann
 

974 has been withdrawn and sent to Kaiseraugst for scrap


Re: New Metre Gauge locomotives

Guerbetaler
 

FGC had a bimodal lcomotive, class 255, leased 2011-17 from Euskotren. 255.01, now back as 2003. Euskotren purchased 12 locomotives to develop freight traffic, but it didn't go as expected and they finally sold three of them (2008-10) to Ecuador, AFAIK without pantographs...

These locomotives have an axle load of 15.5 t and are rated 1200 kW. They go with 1500 V dc, thus an ac version would be somewhat heavier. But I don't think that they would fulfill the traction program of MBC, MOB and MGI.

MOB 6000 are rated 1000 kW, 8000 are 2000 kW, HGe 4/4" about 1900 kW, MBC and RhB Ge 4/4 III 3200 kW.

A lower rated locomotive can pull a comparable load but at lower speed!

FGC 256.01, which is a HGem 2/2 from Stadler is rated 700 kW and weighs 28 t.

Existing six-axle diesel electric FGC 254.01-03 of 1990 are rated 1200 kw, come with an axle-load of 13.5 t, total weight 81 t.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New Metre Gauge locomotives

Thomas
 

Does anyone know what the axle-load of the bi-modal version of Stadler's SALi being built for Ferrocarrils de la Generalitat de Catalunya (FGC) is? The original diesel SALi for Bolivia has an axle-load of 20 tonnes, while the AsiaLight version for Taiwan has 16 tonnes. Both versions diverge from the Euro Dueal and have six axles.

When FGC launched a tender for five bi-mode meter gauge locomotives on 02.12.2019, Stadler Rail (Valencia) was the sole candidate for the procurement and was selected as winner, so this will probably be case here too.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Alan McMillan
 

E 40 017,018,019, 138,139,149,150,151,152,177,199, 243,244,251,252 were fitted with Signum in 1964. Many of them had come to Switzerland before.
Additionially I found for 1961-63: E40 157,191, 225,254,255,264.
Thanks Markus. There are more there than I had expected. I will have to renumber the model though since of all those possibilities, Roco picked E40 504.

Alan


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.05.2021 um 10:05 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
Any idea what the purpose of the test was?
Caption in EA 10/1977 says:

DB 103 233 mit DB-Messzug am Heitersberg-Ostportal (7. 9. 1977). Mit diesem Zug werden bei Vmax bis 230 km/h aerodynamische Messungen im Tunnel vorgenommen, welchem Zweck auch der vorgespannte »Spiess» dient

and:

5. 9. Überfuhr Lok DBE 103 233-3, 5 Messwagen, 1 BDL München—St. Margrethen—Killwangen (Messfahrten zwischen Dietikon und Mägenwil vom 6—23. 9., Vmax bis 230 km/h

This could imply that the tests were not only aerodynamic tests.

Heitersberg Tunnel was opened 01.06.1975 and if I'm not mistaken, it was the first tunnel to be fitted over the full length with ballastless track.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

csipromo
 

The pole likely was to affect the air circulation when the train entered the tunnel.
Without it, the air in the tunnel would present increased resistance to the train.

Regards

Mike C


Re: DB locos on loan to the SBB

Andrew Moglestue
 

sorry, I meant the test of the DB 103 between Zürich and Olten (the picture Marcus attached was taken at the eastern portal of the Heitersberg tunnel I guess).

The 103 seems to have a long pole attached at the front.

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