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Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4 Sat 28th May

Guerbetaler
 

Am 29.05.2021 um 07:25 schrieb tudor erich via groups.io:
3509 is “Z”, and 801 is “S”, which I believe suggests the Gem is
dragged, and not powering. If so, a shame !
Perhaps the other way round on the way back.......
Oh, did I miss something? Will 801 immediately return to Poschiavo?

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4 Sat 28th May

tudor erich
 

3509 is “Z”, and 801 is “S”, which I believe suggests the Gem is dragged, and not powering. If so, a shame !
Perhaps the other way round on the way back.......
Bernard


OeBB 207

Martin Baumann
 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:41 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


560 000 ex 2100 Onesingen-Balsthal Bahn 207 out of service defective since October 2019
This Railcar went to Kaiseraugst for scrap yesterday. It was hauled from Balsthal by DSF 456 094


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4 Sat 28th May

David Prior
 

Well, this is a bit of a coincidence, but I note that 801 is diagrammed tomorrow with 3509 on train R4624, 06:28 Poschiavo- St Moritz.

3509 is “Z”, and 801 is “S”, which I believe suggests the Gem is dragged, and not powering. If so, a shame !


Re: BLS Liveries

Alan McMillan
 

When they originally adopted the blue/beige livery, they must have had a colour as there were no trains to compare them to at that moment.
I have to admit, that comment did mystify me a bit. How DO you create a paint colour by comparing to a shade that doesn't exist????

I'm not entirely sure what the modern BLS has told me is gospel. I really don't see why you'd have a manufacturer create a non-standard colour from scratch with all the problems that entails in the matter of future duplication of the shade when there were RAL colours available.

I'm still not sure therefore about the 1976 blue and cream. I have too many photos of it being lighter than the blue of the EWIVs for it to be a coincidence. I know photos, particularly analogue ones, can be tricky when it comes to colour rendering but given the variations available in film emulsions at the time, why does the "lighter" 1976 blue always appear pretty much the same shade no matter where you see it?

Alan


Re: BLS Liveries

gordonwis
 

“No standardised colour definitions or RAL codes were defined for the colours of our standard carriages I and IV. A manufacturer mixed the colours according to our specifications and compared these with the colours on our trains. ..."
That's brilliant fun to hear!

digressing, what is the RAL blue for the SBB NPZ livery?


Re: BLS Liveries

csipromo
 

When they originally adopted the blue/beige livery, they must have had a colour as there were no trains to compare them to at that moment.
Later, when they modified the livery, whether it be internal (Bönigen Shops) or at the manufacturer (RBDe KTU, "Lego" coaches, EW IV pre delivery), they would have had the older coaches to compare.

Regards

Mike C


Re: BLS Liveries

Alan McMillan
 

Even if BLS only had two different shades of blue, the real variety was much more important because of the fading process. You alaways have to take into account, when the last repaint was.
Hi Markus

A postscript to our debate about the potentially different shades of BLS blue as used in the 1976 livery and the EWIVs. I received this helpful reply from the BLS publicity Department which contains a bit of a surprise I have to be honest.

“No standardised colour definitions or RAL codes were defined for the colours of our standard carriages I and IV. A manufacturer mixed the colours according to our specifications and compared these with the colours on our trains. To this day, there exists no standardised colour definition for our standard carriages I and IV.

Nevertheless, I can give you approximate colour definitions and RAL codes. These may deviate from the original, however. These are as follows:

· Blue, approx.: RAL5003

· Beige, approx.: RAL 1013 or RAL 1014 – depending on the age and condition of the paint.”

So there you have it. Straight from the horse’s mouth as they say.

Regards

Alan


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Illya Vaes
 

Op wo 26 mei 2021 om 22:49 schreef Illya Vaes <illyavaes@gmail.com>:
Op wo 26 mei 2021 om 17:55 schreef Andy <andy@countrysidemodels.co.uk>:
Haven't found the Gems heading anything in the public passenger line
in 2010 0r 2011;
July 5th 2010: both RhB 802 and 801 with local 1629 St. Moritz - Tirano.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56649659@N00/49837629341/in/dateposted-public/
They pulled local 1660 Tirano - St. Moritz back.
The next day 801 did the same services together with the 48, which was
the usual combination I ever saw with the Gem's (two together was pretty
unique for me).


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Illya Vaes
 

Op wo 26 mei 2021 om 17:55 schreef Andy <andy@countrysidemodels.co.uk>:
Haven't found the Gems heading anything in the public passenger line
in 2010 0r 2011;
July 5th 2010: both RhB 802 and 801 with local 1629 St. Moritz - Tirano.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56649659@N00/49837629341/in/dateposted-public/
They pulled local 1660 Tirano - St. Moritz back.


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.05.2021 um 20:05 schrieb Andy:
Haven't found the Gems heading anything in the public passenger line in 2010 0r 2011;
Latest regular passenger use I found was 18th October 2010
https://www.eisenbahnfotos.ch/bahn/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=5110#top_display_media
BTW, the train was 40 min late, 801/802 jumped in for failed motor coaches, the caption says

but I do remember seeing one more recently. I found it; it's dated 18th Oct 2019...> but I can only presume it - or rather they - were
a charter or film episode, as it remains a singular event afaik.
yes, charter

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~rhaetische-bahn~strecke-berninabahn-sm-ti/1174218/fotoextrazug-mit-gem-44-802-murmeltier.html


Re: 421 379

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.05.2021 um 17:20 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam
locomotive, as it requires a locomotive with current safety systems
to run on most of the network.
If I'm not mistaken, the 241A65 is fitted with an ETM-S. This allows working on all lines with Level 1LS, but not on Level 2 lines.

Re 421 are fitted with ETM and Indusi. This allows working on all lines with Level 1LS in Switzerland and with Indusi in Germany, but not on Level 2 lines or LZB lines.

Thus no difference for Switzerland.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Andy
 

Haven't found the Gems heading anything in the public passenger line in 2010 0r 2011; but I do remember seeing one more recently. I found it; it's dated 18th Oct 2019... (attached).
As for the ABe 4/4ii, they were indeed in use on Regionalzug and Bex right until the end of 2010, (the last pair I photographed was on the 23rd Dec), but while they appear often (dozens of times) in 2011, none are on passenger trains. I have however seen a pair heading a passenger train more recently, (same date), but I can only presume it - or rather they - were a charter or film episode, as it remains a singular event afaik. (Also attached.)

Regards, Andy McMillan


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Andy
 

Andy, we speak about timetable 1973-81.
Fair point, Markus.

However, as David wrote, " Can anyone confirm whether this was ever “usual”, or is a photo of a very rare working ? I’m just interested to know whether 801/802 have any passenger train history", I have offered info from other periods.

I'm sure he's got the picture now, though. 8^)

Regards, Andy


Re: 421 379

davey
 

I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam locomotive
Yes but not only. The Dampfverein also acts as train operator for Extrazüge without use of its steam loco.

It recently ran a 4-day train for a Swiss youth association, hiring in an Re 4/4 from Widmer Rail Services.

With their own lok this would not be necessary.

Cheers
D


Re: 421 379

csipromo
 

I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam locomotive, as it requires a locomotive with current safety systems to run on most of the network. Running the Re 421 in the consist would allow for the steam engine to continue to operate on those routes.

Regards

Mike C


Re: 421 379

Martin Baumann
 

421 379 has been purchased by Verein Dampflok 241A-65 who are based at Full

https://www.241a65.ch/rollmaterial/re-421-379-9/


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

csipromo
 

The contract called for final assembly to be in the USA, so the trains are being assembled in the USA with parts made by Stadler in Switzerland, Poland and USA.
I had been hoping that Stadler would be among the contenders for the Montreal REM train system. Kiss or Flirt type trainsets could have been operated using the existing rails, tunnel and stations. Especially seeing how the Caltrains design have doors for both raised and ground level platforms.
Instead, they chose a model derived from the Alstom Metropolitan series, which IMHO has not been proven in a climate like Montreal's.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

Max Wyss
 

One of the new trains is already in Pueblo for testing and commissioning. The Caltrain website has some videos from there.

Max.
 


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 08:45 AM, George Raymond wrote:


electrify and serve a showcase for corresponding Swiss know-how
San Francisco to Tamien via San Jose is currently being electrified and Stadler are building 19 7 car versions of the SBB 511 EMU (RVD) for the line. Stadler have opened a plant in Salt Lake City for North American contracts where the trains will be built but at least some of the body shells have been built in Altenrhein and shipped to the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrification_of_Caltrain

https://railcolornews.com/2020/10/02/us-may-the-tests-begin-the-stadler-kiss-for-caltrain-is-out/

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