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Re: 421 379

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.05.2021 um 17:20 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam
locomotive, as it requires a locomotive with current safety systems
to run on most of the network.
If I'm not mistaken, the 241A65 is fitted with an ETM-S. This allows working on all lines with Level 1LS, but not on Level 2 lines.

Re 421 are fitted with ETM and Indusi. This allows working on all lines with Level 1LS in Switzerland and with Indusi in Germany, but not on Level 2 lines or LZB lines.

Thus no difference for Switzerland.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Andy
 

Haven't found the Gems heading anything in the public passenger line in 2010 0r 2011; but I do remember seeing one more recently. I found it; it's dated 18th Oct 2019... (attached).
As for the ABe 4/4ii, they were indeed in use on Regionalzug and Bex right until the end of 2010, (the last pair I photographed was on the 23rd Dec), but while they appear often (dozens of times) in 2011, none are on passenger trains. I have however seen a pair heading a passenger train more recently, (same date), but I can only presume it - or rather they - were a charter or film episode, as it remains a singular event afaik. (Also attached.)

Regards, Andy McMillan


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Andy
 

Andy, we speak about timetable 1973-81.
Fair point, Markus.

However, as David wrote, " Can anyone confirm whether this was ever “usual”, or is a photo of a very rare working ? I’m just interested to know whether 801/802 have any passenger train history", I have offered info from other periods.

I'm sure he's got the picture now, though. 8^)

Regards, Andy


Re: 421 379

davey
 

I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam locomotive
Yes but not only. The Dampfverein also acts as train operator for Extrazüge without use of its steam loco.

It recently ran a 4-day train for a Swiss youth association, hiring in an Re 4/4 from Widmer Rail Services.

With their own lok this would not be necessary.

Cheers
D


Re: 421 379

csipromo
 

I am guessing that the locomotive will be used with the steam locomotive, as it requires a locomotive with current safety systems to run on most of the network. Running the Re 421 in the consist would allow for the steam engine to continue to operate on those routes.

Regards

Mike C


Re: 421 379

Martin Baumann
 

421 379 has been purchased by Verein Dampflok 241A-65 who are based at Full

https://www.241a65.ch/rollmaterial/re-421-379-9/


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

csipromo
 

The contract called for final assembly to be in the USA, so the trains are being assembled in the USA with parts made by Stadler in Switzerland, Poland and USA.
I had been hoping that Stadler would be among the contenders for the Montreal REM train system. Kiss or Flirt type trainsets could have been operated using the existing rails, tunnel and stations. Especially seeing how the Caltrains design have doors for both raised and ground level platforms.
Instead, they chose a model derived from the Alstom Metropolitan series, which IMHO has not been proven in a climate like Montreal's.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

Max Wyss
 

One of the new trains is already in Pueblo for testing and commissioning. The Caltrain website has some videos from there.

Max.
 


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 08:45 AM, George Raymond wrote:


electrify and serve a showcase for corresponding Swiss know-how
San Francisco to Tamien via San Jose is currently being electrified and Stadler are building 19 7 car versions of the SBB 511 EMU (RVD) for the line. Stadler have opened a plant in Salt Lake City for North American contracts where the trains will be built but at least some of the body shells have been built in Altenrhein and shipped to the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrification_of_Caltrain

https://railcolornews.com/2020/10/02/us-may-the-tests-begin-the-stadler-kiss-for-caltrain-is-out/


Re: Stadler Rail in the U.S.

George Raymond
 

Thanks for this news, Markus.

Too bad the line wasn't able to electrify and serve a showcase for corresponding Swiss know-how. One problem would have been finding and paying a company to do catenary maintenance. Perhaps synergies would have been possible with the 64 km of electrified light-rail lines in Denver, 160 km to the north, or with the 53-km Deseret coal line 530 km to the northwest. But that's not much to build on.

George


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Stadler Rail in the U.S.

Guerbetaler
 

Tomorrow, May 20, 2021, the Manitou and Pike's Peak Railway will reopen after a complete reuild and renewal. The Abt rack was replaced with Strub rack. Stadler has delivered thre trains, consisting of a de rack locomotive, two cars and a drving trailer. The locomotives carry the designation "Hm 4/4 27", 28 and 29. A complete train s formed of e.g. 27-27B-27C-27A. (Don't try to find a logic in it.)

At the same time, Zaugg of Eggiwil, who's main shareholder is the same man as the main shareholder of Stadler ;-), delivered a snow blower number 30. The snow blower is quipeed as driving trailer for a Hm 4/4.

Interesting that MPRR returns to diesel-electric after the four diesel-hydraulic double railcars 18-19 (SLM 5046-47/1975), 24 (SLM 5275/1983) and 25 (SLM 518/1988). These railcars have been rebuilt with Strub cogwheels.

https://www.facebook.com/PikesPeakCogRailway/photos/10160746544036978

https://www.eurokommunal.com/neu-zahnradbahn-schneefraesschleuder-von-zaugg-auf-4300-m-ue-m/

Markus, Gürbetal


Zürich Wipkingen

Martin Baumann
 

For the entire 2024 timetable (10.12.2023-14.12.2024) Zürich HB to Wipkingen will be closed. This is to allow refurbishment of the viaduct between HB and Wipkingen.

Wipkingen station, currently an island platform and not accessible will be rebuilt by 2025 with two side platforms and disabled passenger access though will remain open during the work

https://www.info24news.net/zuerichwipkingen/?fbclid=IwAR3KKtbQl8r91kXCi8cPFGrcVZT3nUwKlrfVfm7b8vkJumfE0HqZO7pGqZ8 (German)


Dampfverein 241.a.65 4-day charter 13-16 May 2021 - Day 4

davey
 

4-day Extrazug run by Dampfverein 241.a.65 for a Swiss church youth organisation.

WRS 430 115 hauled the train for all 4 days.

Day 4 Route (16.05.21) :

Interlaken Ost (P7) - Thun - Konolfingen - Burgdorf - Olten - Aarau - Rupperswil - Holderbank - Brugg - Baden - Zürich-Oerlikon - Winterthur - Aadorf - St.Gallen (4 hour-break) - Degersheim - Wattwil - Pfäffikon SZ - Zürich Hbf (P33)


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.05.2021 um 14:28 schrieb Andy:
I agree with everything you say - except that only in quieter times
was the Bex part of an Albula Expresszug.
Andy, we speak about timetable 1973-81.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

Andy
 

I agree with everything you say - except that only in quieter times was the Bex part of an Albula Expresszug. When it was run in two sections the 'B' (which left first) was certainly added to the back of an RhB train but in high summer I am sure I've seen a photo of the main portion (Bex-A) storming up the Albula with two Gems throwing diesel fumes to the heavens. It will take me a while to ;locate it but I was surprised to find it when I saw it too...
WRT the return trip, certainly by 1988 the C and D portions (C portion up to 3 coaches; D portion originally 8 but latterly normally 7), arrived at Pontresina at different times. These were added together and with a B or an AB (there were through coaches from Pont-Chur and vice-versa in those days), at the front and a restaurant car between that and the Bex, it was certainly hauled as a complete train back to Chur, normally by a Ge6/6ii. There are several photos of it.

While an RE with a Bex Tail is not unknown, when the main 8 coach Bex was hauled to an engine change at Samedan the front portion was normally only a Ge6/6ii, an AB and a B, so little more than through coaches Chur-St M.

It is certainly true, however, that there were many changes of stock and policy over the years; nothing stays static for long on the RhB - which is one of its charms ! (At least we can agree on that, I'm sure!)

Kind regards, Andy McMillan


Re: BLS Liveries

Alan McMillan
 

If you enter 11 digits, the check digit is shown If you enter 12 digits, a 0 shows that the number is correct
Now I understand, Markus. Thanks

Alan


Re: Control Digits (was BLS liveries)

Alan McMillan
 

https://www.revisionsdaten.de/kontrollziffer/index.php
Thank you very much Martin, that is just the job!

Alan


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

David Prior
 

Thank you to all for taking time to post these many interesting replies - it’s much appreciated.

The image I originally mentioned on the wall at Davos Platz station does indeed have two traction units ; behind the Gem4/4 is what I believe to be an ABe 4/4 II, in line with what many have reported/photographed.

David


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

gordonwis
 

Here is my 2009 picture


Re: RhB : Bernina Gem 4/4

gordonwis
 

I posted one of my pictures on a Facebook 'loco bashing' group in June last year captioned thus:

RhB 802 and 45 entering Bernina - Lagalb station southbound. 19/8/2009

[it was a timetabled passenger train]

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