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Absence of Tail Lights on the RhB

glyn.jones
 

Hi,

Someone asked why the RhB do not have tail lamps on the rear of their trains
during my presentation at last nights Swiss Railways Society "Zoom" meeting.
Searching various forums turned up the following which is a poor, but
understandable, translation of the original German. Is this correct or does
anyone know the real answer?

"With regard to the abolition of the train closing lamps at the RhB, there
is still the following writing down of a retired RhB train driver:

Sometimes the practice deviates from the regulations. The following
statements concern the permanently installed lights on locomotives and
control cars. Portable tail lights are no longer used. The RhB abolished the
finals in 1985. It owes its abolition to the then head of operations, who
completely revised the driving service regulations (FDR) in 1985, submitted
the complete works to the Federal Office of Transport (FOT) for approval and
no one there noticed the deviation from the Swiss signal regulations.

On the road routes in Chur and Pushlav, the red end is prescribed in the
dark.

In practice, all variants of rear lighting can be found: red, white, no
light. Shuttle trains occasionally show red at the end of the pendulum
composition but usually white or nothing at all, the end is switched from
the front, more distant driver's cab."


I will add the original in case it helps:

"Bezüglich der Abschaffung der Zugschlusslampen bei der RhB gibt es noch
folgende Niederschreibung eines pensionierten RhB Lokführers:

Manchmal weicht die Praxis vom Reglement ab. Die folgenden Aussagen
betreffen die fest eingebauten Lichter an Triebfahrzeugen und Steuerwagen.
Tragbare Schlusslichter werden keine mehr verwendet. Die RhB hat 1985 die
Schlusslicher abgeschafft. Die Abschaffung verdanke sie dem damaligen
Betriebschef, der das Fahrdienstreglement (FDR) 1985 total überarbeitet hat,
das Gesamtwerk dem Bundesamt für Verkehr (BAV) zur Genehmigung einreichte
und dort niemandem die Abweichung vom Schweizerischen Signalreglement
aufgefallen ist.

Auf den Strassenstrecken in Chur und im Puschlav ist der rote Schluss bei
Dunkelheit vorgeschrieben.

In der Praxis sind alle Varianten der hinteren Beleuchtung anzutreffen: Rot,
Weiss, kein Licht . Pendelzüge zeigen hin und wieder Rot am Schluss der
Pendelkomposition jedoch meist weiss oder gar nichts, der Schluss wird vom
vorderen, weiter entfernten Führerstand geschaltet."



Regards,

Glyn


SBB/TEE : Tour with 11393 and 10034

David Prior
 

Planned for 7th Aug, Winterthur/Zürich- Emmental and back, including some unusual track and 4-course meal (hence the price). Route map and provisional times in the flyer.

Info and flyer here : 


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.06.2021 um 16:30 schrieb Chris Wood via groups.io:
Why did the transfer from Thusis to Bergün have to take place at slow
speed and with the overhead line deactivate?
I couldn't find drawings with measurments but obviously 491 is higher than a Bernina motor coach. The protection bow of the Gem 801-802 is 3820 mm above railhead. 491 was said to be 4000 mm above railhead but in some places the Albula overhead wire would be at 3960 mm.

I'm not sure about these figures but we must believe that 491 is high enough to touch the overhead wire in a few places.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Chris Wood
 

Why did the transfer from Thusis to Bergün have to take place at slow speed and with the overhead line deactivate? (as described in https://club1889.ch/news/detailview/article/86045/eyJlIjoiMTM0MzciLCJpIjpudWxsfQ== )


Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

The following were sent to Waldibrücke today, 12.06.2021, for scrap:

11352

11357

11368

421 394 (11394)


S-Bahn Zürich Double Deck Coaches withdrawn

Martin Baumann
 

After the collision between a LION set and a 450 set at Zürich Herdern 11.07.2019 three coaches damaged in this accident are reported by BAHNFORUM to be withdrawn:

B 26-33 095 B 26-33 097 AB 36-33 159 (ex B102)

These are not the first Zürich S-Bahn double deckers to be withdrawn. 3 were surplus to the LION programme and were withdrawn on 05.11.2020: B 26-33 050 062 103


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.06.2021 um 23:16 schrieb David Prior via groups.io:
The train also carried guests; the post reporting this as a unique
event for a Schalke Gmf4/4ii.
I would turn it the other way round. It was an exceptional transport, with a few persons involved in the project, allowed to travel with it.

The Schalke Gmf can't provide heating power, so it's not something you would do in Winter. 491 travelled with open front doors, because two vacuum pipes had be laid through the motor coach. 491 was fitted with an air brake (4 bar) and has no vacuum lines.

photos by Gerorg Trüb
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/774069/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/774070/

Markus, Gürbetal


RhB : 23401 works passenger special

David Prior
 

Seen on Instagram from rhb_lokfuehrer :

Or search #gmf44 if you have an Instagram account.

Special train from Landquart to Thusis on 9th June and forward to Bergün on 10th to transport the rescued Misoxer BDe 491 to its new home in the Albula rail museum. The train also carried guests; the post reporting this as a unique event for a Schalke Gmf4/4ii.


And in EN from club1889 :


Re: Sargans Gleis 1

Toma Bacic
 

According to the www.gleisplaene-schweiz.ch, there was track 1 in Sargans...
Direct link to the track plan from June 1932:
https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=1556x10000:format=jpg/path/sbb5bfead8c35116a/image/i7d46299ab643e012/version/1528485362/image.jpg

regards
toma
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Re: Dolderbahn: was: Zurich Funiculars

Hans L.
 

Cog railcars, custom built, are always more expensive than adherence railcars, very similar to previous series.


Re: Sargans Gleis 1

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.06.2021 um 22:37 schrieb Guerbetaler:
I can't recall the track numbers before 1983. But there was a track 1 
and it must have been adjacent to the station building. Maybe the track 
numbers were A1 etc. on the Zürich side and B1 on the Buchs - St. Gallen 
side. But I can't find what it really was. These numbers had been 
introduced, after SBB stopped to number the platforms.
Not so bad, it was just the other way round ;-)
https://www.gleisplaene-schweiz.ch/gleispl%C3%A4ne-sbb/kreis-iii-1966/sargans/

St. Gallen were tracks A1, A2 and A3
Zürich were tracks B1, B2, B3, (B4 etc )

https://sarganserland-walensee.ch/alte_ansichten/sargans_mels/original/bahnhof_sargans.jpg

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Sargans Gleis 1

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
I recently had a discussion about the absence of a track 1 in Sargans.
Is this missing because it once existed and was removed ? Or did it
never exist but the number was reserved in case a further track
should be needed ?
The current track numbers in Sargans were introduced in 1983, when the loop opened and platforms with an underpass had been built. Thus track 1 never existed South of track 2.

I can't recall the track numbers before 1983. But there was a track 1 and it must have been adjacent to the station building. Maybe the track numbers were A1 etc. on the Zürich side and B1 on the Buchs - St. Gallen side. But I can't find what it really was. These numbers had been introduced, after SBB stopped to number the platforms.

In an old photo I could locate, the platform numbers, that were in use until the 1960ies can be seen:
1 Chur - Buchs - St. Gallen
2 Chur - Zürich

https://www.geneanet.org/cartes-postales/view/6876770

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Sargans Gleis 1

Martin Baumann
 

This plan from 1936 suggests that such a track exisited but at that point the platforms were numbered the opposite way round and the one now gone was then 6

https://www.gleisplaene-schweiz.ch/gleispl%C3%A4ne-sbb/kreis-iii-1936/sargans/


Sargans Gleis 1

Andrew Moglestue
 

I recently had a discussion about the absence of a track 1 in Sargans .

Is this missing because it once existed and was removed ?

Or did it never exist but the number was reserved in case a further track should be needed ?


New RhB measuring vehicle

Toma Bacic
 

Hello all!

On June 7/8, 2021 RhB presented to the media new digital diagnostic system for track measurement.
In the press release (https://www.rhb.ch/de/medien/medienmitteilungen/details/die-rhb-digitalisiert-ihre-gleismessung), there is an info about the development of the system: "Das erste Diagnosefahrzeug aus dem Jahr 2017 basierte auf einem Standardfahrzeug". On which "Standardfahrzeug"?
Also, what means "Die neuste Entwicklung ist ein autonomes Fahrzeug, bei welchem die Mess-Sensorik über eine Fernsteuerung bedient wird"? From where is possible to monitor the equipment? From the locomotive, or from the infrastructure centre in Landquart?

Thank you!

regards
toma

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Re: Dolderbahn: was: Zurich Funiculars

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.06.2021 um 13:10 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Am 05.06.2021 um 20:46 schrieb Martin Baumann:
60 EMU for SBB work out at about SFR2,166,000 each.
Maybe you have lost a digit or a comma somewhere?
SER 5/2021 says the total price for 60 units is CHF 1.3bn

1.3bn / 60 = 21.66m for a six-car unit

(My guess would be 7m for a motor coach and 2m for a coach)

Serbia ordered 3 units for EUR 62.2m, that's EUR 20.733m

As of today, one EUR gives 1.0835 CHF, thus
EUR 20.733m = CHF 22.465m

However, SER thinks that the market price for a double deck unit would be CHF 3m less than what Stadler gets. I wonder from where he gets such price indications.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Dolderbahn: was: Zurich Funiculars

Guerbetaler
 

Am 05.06.2021 um 20:46 schrieb Martin Baumann:
60 EMU for SBB work out at about SFR2,166,000 each.
Maybe you have lost a digit or a comma somewhere?

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Dolderbahn: was: Zurich Funiculars

csipromo
 

I think it is more likely that the higher cost is due to the fact that parts must be designed for a total of 2 models rather than for a production run of 60, where the cost of the design and molds and production can be shared between 60 rather than just between 2.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Dolderbahn: was: Zurich Funiculars

Martin Baumann
 

Two railcars have been ordered from Stadler to replace 1 and 2 built 1973.

The contract was given direct to Stadler without a tendering process on the grounds that they are the only company capable of building them.

They will cost SFR5,283,000 each,not including tax!

The recently ordered 60 EMU for SBB work out at about SFR2,166,000 each.

I assume that the high cost of the Dolder vehicles is due to their specialist nature and there being only 2


Re: SBB Loco update

Martin Baumann
 

Sorry, 10.05

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