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Re: SBB + CFF markings on EW and RIC coaches

Guerbetaler
 

Am 04.07.2021 um 01:56 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
I'm sure this has been covered before but can't find the references. When (and in what volumes) did the last green coaches with the original SBB + CFF style coach side last run in regular service?
This must have been about 1998, when the last light steel coaches were withdrawn. Driving trailers and dining cars got the new logo, but A, AB, B and D remained with the old SBB+CFF and SBB+FFS. However, some luggage vans lingered around until 2001, but not fitted with UIC cable they couldn't be used in normal consists any more.

Markus, Gürbetal


SBB + CFF markings on EW and RIC coaches

gordonwis
 

I'm sure this has been covered before but can't find the references. When (and in what volumes) did the last green coaches with the original SBB + CFF style coach side last run in regular service?


Re: File /RhB/RhB Ge 6_6ii Jun 2021.pdf uploaded #file-notice

David Prior
 

May’s increase in passenger work since the low point in April continues into June. All four remaining examples being diagrammed, including the first passenger work for 707 since 24th March, if these records are correct.

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NSB 2257

Martin Baumann
 

After a derailment at Oslo Central Station on 08.05.2019 NSB EI 18 2257 was seriously damaged, the transformer being beyond repair. Since the accident it has been stripped of useful parts and will shortly become the first loco of the "Lok 2000" family to be scrapped.

[SER 7/2021 and https://www6.jernbane.net/bo/subpage.php?s=3&t=31 ]


Re: Blausee-Mitholz, was: Gotthard mountain route

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.06.2021 um 12:41 schrieb Clive Dean:
In your recent reply Marcus you say that the railway and road are to be kept open but traffic must go via the tunnels, could you clarify, is the old route and the road to be kept  open throughout?
not "via the tunnels", rather "via tunnels"

The road and the railway to Kandersteg must remain open. Short closures during critical operations remain possible. But I haven't yet seen the plans 'how' this protection will be done. If I understood correctly, parts will be covered (tunnels built over the existing route).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Blausee-Mitholz, was: Gotthard mountain route

Clive Dean
 

In your recent reply Marcus you say that the railway and road are to be kept open but traffic must go via the tunnels, could you clarify, is the old route and the road to be kept  open throughout?


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Re: Gotthard mountain route

John Lovda
 

I sincerely apologize. The photo in question was taken in 2016 when the GBT was about to open and was describing some changes out in the future. Sorry.


Re: Blausee-Mitholz, was: Gotthard mountain route

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.06.2021 um 20:36 schrieb john_dmj:
Blausee-Mitholz?
That's still another story. But the railway and the road are to be kept open. It is planned to close the area for about ten years to clear the remainings of the former ammunition depot that exploded on 20th December 1947 and killed 9 residents. The explosions destroyed 3000 t of a total of 7000 t stored in the depot. It was now found that these 4000 t are still dangerous and that it is necessary to remove them. During the clean up the region must remain empty. Traffic must go through tunnels.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gotthard mountain route

john_dmj
 

On 24/06/2021 19:26, Guerbetaler wrote:
You couldn't point me to this caption? No idea what the person that
wrote the caption might have mixed up. I'm not aware of ANY rail line in
Switzerland that would close down for such a long time.

Markus Gürbetal
Blausee-Mitholz?

Best Regards

John


Re: Gotthard mountain route

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.06.2021 um 15:58 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
I just read a caption for a photo that said the Gotthard route will
be closed in November for four years.
You couldn't point me to this caption? No idea what the person that
wrote the caption might have mixed up. I'm not aware of ANY rail line in
Switzerland that would close down for such a long time.

Markus Gürbetal


Gotthard mountain route

John Lovda
 

I am sorry if this is well known information or I read something incorrectly. I haven't been here for quite awhile. I just read a caption for a photo that said the Gotthard route will be closed in November for four years. Is this true? Will local trains end in Erstfeld and a bus ride needed to reach Goschenen? What about the MGB Goschenen to Andermatt train? Will the same thing be true for Airolo on the south side?

Thanks


Re: Absence of Tail Lights on the RhB

Andy
 

As Markus explained, some single railcars carry tail lights, usually a
single white headlight on the right-hand side, whether or not a train has a
tail. I have examples of both on file.

I can report that on the Bernina at least, observations at
the Brusio Spiral currently still show tail lamps on all trains after dark,
normally 'static' on ABe but flashing when portable lamps are added to any
tail traffic; normally freight vehicles but sometimes also empty coaching
stock being taken to or from Poschiavo from Tirano.

As I understand it, there remains a requirement to show a
red light to the rear (or at least a single white one when single headlights
are used as tail-lights at the back of solo or paired ABe), anywhere they
are running on roads with other traffic. In particular, it appears from
photographic evidence that where empty flat wagons are being towed, going by
my photographic records, a flashing red tail light appears to be mandatory.
This, presumably, is to stop traffic following an ABe down the street
colliding with the back of a low or flat wagon hidden in the dark by a flow
of car and truck headlights travelling in the opposite direction.
I can't comment on the Arosa line where that uses public
roads but presumably the same laws would apply there too. I have long
assumed (always a risky thing to do, of course, but when enquiries fail to
elicit facts the only option), that the reason 'still-green and original
cabbed' Ge 4/4i #610 (and one other I can't remember the number of
off-hand), were given a pair of small additional red lights at each end was
so they could be used in push-pull formations on the Arosa and still show
red to the rear on the road sections. Afaik, all the rebuilt Ge 4/4i were
fitted with these on rebuilding; but I may stand to be 'corrected' on that
score - as I so often am !

Andy McMillan


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Andy
 

Why did the transfer from Thusis to Bergün have to take place at slow speed and with the overhead line deactivate?
I am sure others will give you the definitive reason but my guess - and it is only that - is that the roof resistors (which are rather higher than anything else which ran on DC and has had to travel on the AC RhB) would have been too close to the lowest sections of the overhead catenary in some of the Albula tunnels. These were built for steam, remember.
When the four ABe I (30-34) were transported to the Arosa, or they or others taken to and from Landquart for repairs or rebuilding, the pantographs were either removed or held down with strapping to give the necessary clearances. But you can't lower resistors, so you either remove them or cut the power and move the thing by diesel. Makes sense to me, but no doubt others will advise you of the facts in due course. . .

Regards, Andy McMillan


Re: Absence of Tail Lights on the RhB

Guerbetaler
 

It's a fact that RhB at some point decided that red tail lights were of no use except producing costs. And it's a fact that nobody objected. It is still another fact, not yet mentioned, that at the point when operating rules became a national standard, the responsible persons of the FOT accepted that RhB (and MGB) continued without tail lights.

Another fact is that cabs at the end of a train were always able to show a red tail light. But for many years it was the personal taste of the driver that decided if he lit the light or not.

Introduction of more and more driving trailers after 1999 and then also EMUs changed the world again. More and more it's all automatic. The driver does no longer have to deal with these little details as head and tail lights. Thus today, RhB trains show the same lights as all other trains in Switzerland and it's the same for MGB. This leaves the exceptions: The few trains without driving trailers (Bernina Regios, BEX, GEX and freight trains) will continue to run without tail lights, except in the night on Chur - Arosa and Poschiavo - Tirano. (example attached).

Markus


Absence of Tail Lights on the RhB

glyn.jones
 

Hi,

Someone asked why the RhB do not have tail lamps on the rear of their trains
during my presentation at last nights Swiss Railways Society "Zoom" meeting.
Searching various forums turned up the following which is a poor, but
understandable, translation of the original German. Is this correct or does
anyone know the real answer?

"With regard to the abolition of the train closing lamps at the RhB, there
is still the following writing down of a retired RhB train driver:

Sometimes the practice deviates from the regulations. The following
statements concern the permanently installed lights on locomotives and
control cars. Portable tail lights are no longer used. The RhB abolished the
finals in 1985. It owes its abolition to the then head of operations, who
completely revised the driving service regulations (FDR) in 1985, submitted
the complete works to the Federal Office of Transport (FOT) for approval and
no one there noticed the deviation from the Swiss signal regulations.

On the road routes in Chur and Pushlav, the red end is prescribed in the
dark.

In practice, all variants of rear lighting can be found: red, white, no
light. Shuttle trains occasionally show red at the end of the pendulum
composition but usually white or nothing at all, the end is switched from
the front, more distant driver's cab."


I will add the original in case it helps:

"Bezüglich der Abschaffung der Zugschlusslampen bei der RhB gibt es noch
folgende Niederschreibung eines pensionierten RhB Lokführers:

Manchmal weicht die Praxis vom Reglement ab. Die folgenden Aussagen
betreffen die fest eingebauten Lichter an Triebfahrzeugen und Steuerwagen.
Tragbare Schlusslichter werden keine mehr verwendet. Die RhB hat 1985 die
Schlusslicher abgeschafft. Die Abschaffung verdanke sie dem damaligen
Betriebschef, der das Fahrdienstreglement (FDR) 1985 total überarbeitet hat,
das Gesamtwerk dem Bundesamt für Verkehr (BAV) zur Genehmigung einreichte
und dort niemandem die Abweichung vom Schweizerischen Signalreglement
aufgefallen ist.

Auf den Strassenstrecken in Chur und im Puschlav ist der rote Schluss bei
Dunkelheit vorgeschrieben.

In der Praxis sind alle Varianten der hinteren Beleuchtung anzutreffen: Rot,
Weiss, kein Licht . Pendelzüge zeigen hin und wieder Rot am Schluss der
Pendelkomposition jedoch meist weiss oder gar nichts, der Schluss wird vom
vorderen, weiter entfernten Führerstand geschaltet."



Regards,

Glyn


SBB/TEE : Tour with 11393 and 10034

David Prior
 

Planned for 7th Aug, Winterthur/Zürich- Emmental and back, including some unusual track and 4-course meal (hence the price). Route map and provisional times in the flyer.

Info and flyer here : 


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.06.2021 um 16:30 schrieb Chris Wood via groups.io:
Why did the transfer from Thusis to Bergün have to take place at slow
speed and with the overhead line deactivate?
I couldn't find drawings with measurments but obviously 491 is higher than a Bernina motor coach. The protection bow of the Gem 801-802 is 3820 mm above railhead. 491 was said to be 4000 mm above railhead but in some places the Albula overhead wire would be at 3960 mm.

I'm not sure about these figures but we must believe that 491 is high enough to touch the overhead wire in a few places.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RhB : 23401 works passenger special

Chris Wood
 

Why did the transfer from Thusis to Bergün have to take place at slow speed and with the overhead line deactivate? (as described in https://club1889.ch/news/detailview/article/86045/eyJlIjoiMTM0MzciLCJpIjpudWxsfQ== )

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