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Re: Jungfraubahn, ticket options

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.07.2021 um 15:35 schrieb Toma Bacic:
I think this question has already been asked (and answered), but I can't find it at all... My parents (70+ years) are planing to go to Jungfrau this August, they will travel by car to Interlaken. What is the cheapest option to go to Jungfraujoch?
The cheapest way to the Jungfraujoch would be to get a Coop voucher that was given, when you bought for more than 100 Fr. ...

If your parents don't plan any other rail travel in Switzerland, then my answer is: breath deep and pay.

For the average car driver, there is no reduction at all. Before the V-Bahn opened, it was possible to get cheaper tickets for the first train. But I can't find them any more.

Swiss Half Fare Card is CHF 120.00. The half fare return ticket Interlaken Ost - Jungfraujoch is CHF 117.90 ...

Markus, Gürbetal


Jungfraubahn, ticket options

Toma Bacic
 

Hello all!
I think this question has already been asked (and answered), but I can't find it at all... My parents (70+ years) are planing to go to Jungfrau this August, they will travel by car to Interlaken. What is the cheapest option to go to Jungfraujoch?

Any advice is appreciated! ;)

Thank you!
toma

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Re: 11335

Max Wyss
 

Not to forget the LION livery, which I think makes the locomotive look younger than it actually is.

Max.


 
 


Re: 11335

csipromo
 

Personally, the Re 4/4II in TEE colours was my favorite one to run into. Later, the Swiss Express colours stood out in my mind.
The standard livery (initially) green. and later red were nice. I don't know which one was my favourite.
I do recall that they did not let the loks get quite as dirty in the 1970s as they have recently.

I think that I will go for green for locomotives with the round headlights and red for the ones with the rectangular halogen headlights.

Regards

Mike C


Re: 11335

Alan McMillan
 

It's still the nicest livery for Re4/4s in my view.

Alan


11335

Martin Baumann
 

11335 has been given a full repaint in green livery (has been red since 20.01.1999)

So far no information as to why but it might be due to an imminent sale. As of now the loco is till SBB Cargo in the vehicle register.

https://sguggiari.ch/4_foto_varie_1.php?veicolo=1829 (Bellinzona yesterday)


MGB refurbished HGe 4/4II 106

tudor erich
 

This loco has been doing trial runs Glisergrund to Disentis all this week.

Does anyone have pictures of the entire train please?

Bernard


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.07.2021 um 15:36 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
My ACME SBB Am Eurofima coach has a revision date of XX.XX.2002. As
far as I remember, the dates were always expressed in two digit
groups, so it should have read XX.XX.02 instead. Maybe Markus can
confirm this?
Writing wasn't always uniform. I find 5.4.02 besides 05.04.02. But I couldn't find a four-digit year.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

csipromo
 

Gordon,

Thank you very much for that. The information that I have been trying to figure out is beyond anything that I have seen on any website.
I ordered four SBB EC coaches (LS Models). The coaches all have revision dates between 2007 and 2009. I was planning on adding a panorama Apm coach once they are released, bringing the consist to 5 coaches total.

In the interim, I was trying to figure out what other coaches could be used with this consist.
I had the idea that I could use either an Am Eurofima, which were used in some consists, but none of the models in my collection had an overlapping revision date.
Last night, I found that one of my Roco models (44669) has a 2009 revision, which opens up that possibility.

Markus made the contribution that I could add a Roco WRm (44963) type. I have to check the revision date on that model.

None of my individual LSM SBB Eurofimas have revision dates past the 1990s. The same applies to all my LSM SBB RIC coaches in the green/grey livery.
I did not consider any of my fleet in the new ICN livery, as that was coming into service in 2009, so would still have been rare.

I am going to expand my search to any compatible coach with a revision date from 2005 on.

While looking into this I discovered one interesting thing. My ACME SBB Am Eurofima coach has a revision date of XX.XX.2002.
As far as I remember, the dates were always expressed in two digit groups, so it should have read XX.XX.02 instead. Maybe Markus can confirm this?

I am not usually a rivet counter to this level, but seeing as I already had a fleet of Roco SBB EC coaches and I specifically ordered the LSM models that had close revision dates, I became more curious about this.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

gordonwis
 

In the meantime, any suggestions are appreciated.
Reisezuge.ch covers the 2009 and 2010 era so you should be able to check consists on that web site


Re: #MGB HGe 4/4 II #mgb

tudor erich
 

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 11:16:09 PM GMT+1, Toma Bacic <toma.bacic@gmail.com> wrote:
Martin Baumann wrote:
106 should be returned to MGB today, it has departed Bellinzona on a lorry
Yesterday I saw a modernised MGB locomotive in Disentis/Mustér. Where the
number of the loco is inscripted???

Did you take any pictures?
How long was the train it was with please?
Bernard


Re: #MGB HGe 4/4 II #mgb

Toma Bacic
 

Martin Baumann wrote:
106 should be returned to MGB today, it has departed Bellinzona on a lorry
Yesterday I saw a modernised MGB locomotive in Disentis/Mustér. Where the
number of the loco is inscripted???


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.07.2021 um 02:52 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
being that the revision dates on my models are 2007 through 2009.
The Swiss rule used to be four years for coaches between revisions. I think this rule lasted until 1998.

Going through my photos of 2008 I found a detail photo of WRm 108 with REV3 Ol 14.12.01 (I took the photo because of the V-Lok inscription)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

csipromo
 

So, you would not find coaches with 2007 mixed with ones from 2008 and early/mid 2009?
Would that also be the case for domestic (inland) ICs?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

Martin Baumann
 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 10:58 PM, csipromo wrote:


What is the maximum time frame between revisions, i.e. what revision dates
could you find in a consist for any given point of time?
For an intenationally approved coach, prefix 51 or 61 it used to be a maximum of one year. I am uncertain if this is still the case.


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

csipromo
 

Just a quick related question:

What is the maximum time frame between revisions, i.e. what revision dates could you find in a consist for any given point of time?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.07.2021 um 02:52 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
While waiting for an Apm Panorama to make my consist a 5 coach EC, which other coaches would be best suited?
When used in EC service they were mostly among themselves. The Zürich - München consist was
Am - Apm - WRm EW IV - Bpm - Bpm - Bpm ...
EC Chur - Germany had 3 Apm, a WRm EW IV and many Bpm.
At that time CIS-liveried coaches were around.
The Am were in their last years of SBB service.

But Apm and Bpm were also used in inland services. At the Gotthard you could see them in a wild mix with EW IV, even EW II, and Bpm ex Bm Z2 and B ex Bpm Z1 plus an Apm Pano in the middle.

St. Gallen - Chur were especially nice consists, e.g.
D EW II - Apm - Bpm - B ex Bpm Z1 - Bpm ex Bm Z2 with an Re 4/4"

Markus


Re: Re 4/4 II Passenger in 2021 timetable

Martin Baumann
 

from yesterday, 05.07.2021 1908 1929 6054 6067 are Re460 pushpull not Re 4/4 II.


Question about Eurofima Am and SBB Bpm/B UIC-Z

csipromo
 

While trying to assemble a consist for a short IC/EC using a few of the new LS Models Apm/Bpm EC 90 coaches, I am trying to figure out which other coaches you could find in a consist for the period 2009-2010, being that the revision dates on my models are 2007 through 2009.

All of my LSM Am Eurofima have revision dates from the 1990s (1992/1993), so are not technically appropriate. I know that these coaches used to run right behind the locomotive on ECs to Munich and on other routes to German destinations where diesel traction was common (e.g. EC Albert Einstein). I also have a number of B RIC (ex-Bpm UIC-Z) and B RIC in either the EWIV or ICN liveries as well.

While waiting for an Apm Panorama to make my consist a 5 coach EC, which other coaches would be best suited?

Nils Bechtiger used to have a website with photos sorted by year, but that is no longer maintained.
I am going to go through my collection to see what I can find, including my Re-Os.nl videos.

In the meantime, any suggestions are appreciated.

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB + CFF markings on EW and RIC coaches

gordonwis
 

csipromo wrote:

I remember still seeing the odd coach with the SBB + CFF / SBB + FFS markings as recently as late 2003/early 2004.
Railfaneurope.net has several photos from 2004: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/car/EW_I/B/pix.html
Yes I've seen the RailfanEurope shots, the dates would make sense as I was concentrating on France for many years as I knew the most 'interesting' stuff in France was receding slightly faster than in CH. Although I did visit Switzerland and lineside in the early 2000s I didn't do much main line riding so rather missed the end of the classic green and red plastic seat interiors of old logo EWI/IIs.

Having given up on France except for specific things here and there I have majored on Switzerland for every European holiday since about 2009.

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