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Re: MGB 105

Guerbetaler
 

Am 04.08.2021 um 00:48 schrieb stewartjwells via groups.io:
Apologies if I've missed a post, but is this loco still in Bellinzona
works?
106 is back from Bellinzona as the first and until now only locomotive. It is undergoing tests and is not yet in commercial use.

105 is booked for two tasks: repair of collision damage plus replacement of the electrical gear (as it is planned for 9 HGe 4/4").

Markus


MGB 105

stewartjwells
 

Apologies if I've missed a post, but is this loco will in Bellinzona works?

TIA

Rh


MGB ABt 4191 back in service

Guerbetaler
 

ABt 4191 with only two windows first class had been rebuilt as Bt 4291 after the 1993 flood in Brig. Together with BDeh 41 it went to DFB, but DFB doesn't want to deal with electric traction. Bt 4191 was given back to MGB and might have been scrapped, if not...

The collision in Oberwald damaged ABt 4154 and 4153 and there had been talks to use parts of 4191 to repair the two. Obviously it was now done the other way round. Probably with parts of 4154 MGB reinstated ABt 4191 which is now working in the Goms trains.

I wonder if 4153 will come back.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Re 4/4 II and III changes

Martin Baumann
 

The following locos are withdrawn and will be going to Vismara, Lugano, for scrap this week:

11128
11138
11354
11367

420 169 (11169) is also withdrawn and will go to scrap shortly from Zürich RBL


Re: coaches (Smoking Seats)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.08.2021 um 18:15 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I don't think that the colour of the seats that were smoking really
made any difference in this case
This coach was fully non smoking - in passenger use ...

Markus


Re: coaches (Smoking Seats)

csipromo
 

https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/sites/default/files/styles/np8_full/public/v2/83252_630x420.jpg?itok=jaDaSSi0

I don't think that the colour of the seats that were smoking really made any difference in this case

Regards

Mike C


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

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Am 02.08.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Bob Tomasko via groups.io:
Were the RIC corridor coaches commonly used in trains with the orange Eurofima coaches, or were some city-pairs typically serviced by one or the other?
It was the idea to use the 40 Bm Z2 in C1-livery together with the 20 Eurofima-Am of 1977, as SBB hadn't ordered Bm coaches. But as Mike wrote, already in 1980/81 30 air-codnditioned Bpm arrived, also in C1-livery, and they largely replaced the Bm.

But there were many trains where it was tried to keep the colour throughout the train.

Markus


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

csipromo
 

Bob,

not quite sure what you meant by city-pairs. Domestic InterCity trains (i.e. St. Gallen-Zurich-Bern-Geneva) were originally EWI/EWII. Later (1975), the EWIII (Swiss Express) and then the EWIV (1983/84) coaches replaced the older designs. The RIC compartment coaches were more frequently found on other routes (Basel-Luzern-Chiasso or Basel-Zurich-Chur as those usually were made up of coaches from international trains combined with coaches added for the domestic part of the route. In addition to the flagship trains, the orange (Eurofima Am) and later (Bpm) could occasionally be found in such long distance trains. These chances increased as coaches once used for international routes were made available as those consists were at that point operated by foreign railways. For example, some services between Munich and Switzerland which had been operated with SBB coaches may have switched to DB coaches, making the SBB rolling stock available for other uses.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

csipromo
 

A number of the coaches from the final delivery of the Bm RIC coaches (11 compartments) were delivered from the factory in the C1 (Orange) livery as chosen for the VSE (Voiture Standard Europeene) aka Eurofima coaches. That said, it was quite common for the Eurofima Am (1977) to be used in combination with earlier coaches in the green livery.
The main difference between the RIC and UIC-X coaches and the new generation UIC-Z coaches (Eurofima type) was that the newer coaches were delivered with air conditioning, which made them more common to find in the top Intercity (IC) and Express trains. A few years later, the SBB received 30 air conditioned Bpm Open Seating coaches, most of which went into service in those top tier trains. Less than a decade later, those coaches formed the backbone of the SBB fleet in the new EuroCity system (1987) until the delivery of the new EC'90 coaches starting in 1990. At that point, the older RIC coaches were either downgraded to secondary use or modified for domestic (inland) operation. The oldest coaches were gradually taken out of service while the most recent are still in use today in many trains although their end of life is near.


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Bob Tomasko
 

Were the RIC corridor coaches commonly used in trains with the orange Eurofima coaches, or were some city-pairs typically serviced by one or the other?

Bob


Re: File /RhB/RhB Ge 6_6ii Jul 2021.pdf uploaded #file-notice

David Prior
 

July digest uploaded … a really good month for Ge 6/6 ii operation. Indeed, until Thu 29th (and then finally on Sat 31st), there had been at least one example on passenger duty every day of July, and on several days, two locos.

On 1 Aug 2021, at 22:03, main@SwissRail.groups.io Notification <noreply@groups.io> wrote:

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@SwissRail.groups.io group.


File /RhB/RhB Ge 6_6ii Jul 2021.pdf uploaded #file-notice

main@SwissRail.groups.io Notification <noreply@...>
 

The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@SwissRail.groups.io group.

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Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.08.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Alan McMillan:
When the day coaches were converted from side corridors to open
saloons
This was only for the Bm 21. Other conversions were:

Bm 22 into sleeping seat coaches (Liegesesselwagen) in blue night train livery

Am into lorry driver sleeping coaches for piggyback trains, HUPAC and RAlpin liveries see attchment

A few coaches were rebuilt into several service vehicles with very different liveries, the best known might be the yellow radio measuring coach.

The rest of the Am, ABm, Dms and Bm 22 were scrapped still green.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Andy Micklethwaite
 

At 16:23 01/08/2021, you wrote:
Am, ABm, Bm and Dms didn't lose the all-green livery until they were rebuilt or withdrawn. The new colour depended on what the coach then became.
Many thanks.


Re: Gotthardbahn

davey
 

Has the old Gothardbahn been modified (crossovers removed etc)
since the GBT was opened?
Yes

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Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Alan McMillan
 

When the day coaches were converted from side corridors to open saloons, they got a version of the green and grey the EWIVs wore.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIC-X-_und_Z2-Wagen_der_SBB#/media/Datei:Bpm_51_85_21-70_456-0_Chur_011011_RE3830_Ch-SG.jpg


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.08.2021 um 16:57 schrieb Andy Micklethwaite via groups.io:
When did they lose the all-green livery and what took it's place?
Am, ABm, Bm and Dms didn't lose the all-green livery until they were rebuilt or withdrawn. The new colour depended on what the coach then became.

However, not all Bm were all-green. 40 coaches had been delivered in C1 livery, that is the Eurofima orange with a white band.
51 85 21-70 090-109 and 150-169

The dining cars were red and also got C1 livery around 1980. WRm 000 had TEE livery for the Bavaria for some time.

Couchette cars Bc 51 85 50-70 000-049 got two different blue liveries at some point.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Andy Micklethwaite
 

When did they lose the all-green livery and what took it's place?
TIA Andy Mick.


Re: Gotthardbahn

Toma Bacic
 

Has the old Gothardbahn been modified (crossovers removed etc) since the
GBT was opened?

Thnx and regards
toma


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.08.2021 um 14:24 schrieb Markus (Gürbetal) Y:
In my memory and on photos I have, seats were green for
non smoker and red for smoker.
Photo attached is from 1986 in 2nd class somewhere between Luxemburg and Basel. The other photo is a first class coach of the same train in Luxemburg station.

Markus

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