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Berninabahn BB81

Gbgen
 

BB81 is to be transferred from Blonay-Chamby to Landquart by road and then on 26 August she moves on to Pontresina by rail. Travel is possible on this transfer for CHF100:-

https://www.bahnoldtimer.com/2021/08/26/%C3%BCberfuhrfahrt-bb-81/?fbclid=IwAR0RdnrL3Kvm8rE5V_9bo5YYbmxlSpmDMdn5sVUvGbZx8Q_iu8tRvq-wKJ4

Then on 2/3 October BB81 and Ge 4/4 182 will be working special trains over the Bernina, and BB81 will be based at Pontresina also during the 2022 season.


Ceneri Base Tunnel 460s?

Gbgen
 

Excuse the question, but does anyone know of trains that pass through the Ceneri Base Tunnel that are booked for class 460 please?

Before travelling I did some research and couldn't find any. During the day on Saturday 14 August all I saw was 500s, 501s, 502s and 524s. So I was somewhat surprised when heading north to pass 460 039 on 17:05 Zürich Hbf-Lugano(IC881). On checking reisezeuge.ch, I saw that this train should have been a class 500.


Brünig Historic 5 September

Gbgen
 

Featuring steam, HGe 4/4 I 1992 and LSE BDeh 140 005:-

https://verein.zbhistoric.ch/zeitreise/


RhB Rheinschluct diagram 14.08.21

davey
 

703


SBB Gotthard 14.08.21

davey
 

11411 SBB Historic Erlebniszug

11181 Panorama Express


Re: Various engineering closures

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.08.2021 um 18:10 schrieb Martin Baumann:
Neuchatel to La Chaux des Fonds and on to Besacon SNCF have been closed since start of traffic 01.03.2021. Trains are due to resume on November 1st
These are two independent closures and La Chaux-de-Fonds - Le Locle isn't affected. Trains Biel/Bienne - La Chaux-de-Fonds - Le Locle run as usual.

The tunnels between Les Hauts-Geneveys and La Chaux-de-Fonds urgently need a reconstruction, even if they are only used for another ten or fifteen years. It is planned to build a new line more directly between Neuchâtel and La Chaux-de-Fonds. However, this also means steeper grades and I'm not sure if the planned running times of less than 15 min can be reached.

Markus, Gürbetal


Various engineering closures

Martin Baumann
 

Bern Tram 9 05.07.2021-10.10.2021 inclusive bus substitution between Bern station and Wankdorf

A 30 month closure of route 6 to Fischermätteli is on the cards from January 2023 The cost of the work means it has to be approved by a local referendum which will be on 28.11.2021

Neuchatel to La Chaux des Fonds and on to Besacon SNCF have been closed since start of traffic 01.03.2021. Trains are due to resume on November 1st

On the LEB line from Lausanne the section from Lausanne Flon to Prilly-Chasseur is due to close at end of traffic 24.09.2021. The street running section this includes will be replaced by a 1478m tunnel which was due to open in April 2022 but seems to have been delayed until mid May. Montetan station will permanently close on the 24th. There will be a bus substitution which will run to and from Lausanne main station (SBB) and not Flon

https://www.t-l.ch/en/component/content/article/2-uncategorised/870-leb-interruption-partielle-des-25-septembre-2021?Itemid=10205


Gotthard BahnTage 18 and 19 September 2021

davey
 

Gotthard BahnTage 18 and 19 September 2021

https://www.gotthard-bahntage.ch/


Re: MGB 105

tudor erich
 

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021, 07:29:40 AM GMT+1, stewartjwells wrote:
Apologies if I've missed a post, but is this loco will in Bellinzona works?
I believe so.


Re: BLS Auto Shuttles 06.08.21

Thomas
 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 04:09 PM, davey wrote:


Iselle - Kandersteg: 182

Kandersteg - Goppenstein: 183, 184, 191, 194

Spare at Kandersteg: 185
There was a 5th train in operation between Kandersteg - Goppenstein yesterday afternoon (don't know which loco).

Thomas.


BLS Auto Shuttles 06.08.21

davey
 

Iselle - Kandersteg: 182

Kandersteg - Goppenstein: 183, 184, 191, 194

Spare at Kandersteg: 185


Re: MGB 105

Guerbetaler
 

Am 04.08.2021 um 00:48 schrieb stewartjwells via groups.io:
Apologies if I've missed a post, but is this loco still in Bellinzona
works?
106 is back from Bellinzona as the first and until now only locomotive. It is undergoing tests and is not yet in commercial use.

105 is booked for two tasks: repair of collision damage plus replacement of the electrical gear (as it is planned for 9 HGe 4/4").

Markus


MGB 105

stewartjwells
 

Apologies if I've missed a post, but is this loco will in Bellinzona works?

TIA

Rh


MGB ABt 4191 back in service

Guerbetaler
 

ABt 4191 with only two windows first class had been rebuilt as Bt 4291 after the 1993 flood in Brig. Together with BDeh 41 it went to DFB, but DFB doesn't want to deal with electric traction. Bt 4191 was given back to MGB and might have been scrapped, if not...

The collision in Oberwald damaged ABt 4154 and 4153 and there had been talks to use parts of 4191 to repair the two. Obviously it was now done the other way round. Probably with parts of 4154 MGB reinstated ABt 4191 which is now working in the Goms trains.

I wonder if 4153 will come back.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Re 4/4 II and III changes

Martin Baumann
 

The following locos are withdrawn and will be going to Vismara, Lugano, for scrap this week:

11128
11138
11354
11367

420 169 (11169) is also withdrawn and will go to scrap shortly from Zürich RBL


Re: coaches (Smoking Seats)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.08.2021 um 18:15 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
I don't think that the colour of the seats that were smoking really
made any difference in this case
This coach was fully non smoking - in passenger use ...

Markus


Re: coaches (Smoking Seats)

csipromo
 

https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/sites/default/files/styles/np8_full/public/v2/83252_630x420.jpg?itok=jaDaSSi0

I don't think that the colour of the seats that were smoking really made any difference in this case

Regards

Mike C


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.08.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Bob Tomasko via groups.io:
Were the RIC corridor coaches commonly used in trains with the orange Eurofima coaches, or were some city-pairs typically serviced by one or the other?
It was the idea to use the 40 Bm Z2 in C1-livery together with the 20 Eurofima-Am of 1977, as SBB hadn't ordered Bm coaches. But as Mike wrote, already in 1980/81 30 air-codnditioned Bpm arrived, also in C1-livery, and they largely replaced the Bm.

But there were many trains where it was tried to keep the colour throughout the train.

Markus


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

csipromo
 

Bob,

not quite sure what you meant by city-pairs. Domestic InterCity trains (i.e. St. Gallen-Zurich-Bern-Geneva) were originally EWI/EWII. Later (1975), the EWIII (Swiss Express) and then the EWIV (1983/84) coaches replaced the older designs. The RIC compartment coaches were more frequently found on other routes (Basel-Luzern-Chiasso or Basel-Zurich-Chur as those usually were made up of coaches from international trains combined with coaches added for the domestic part of the route. In addition to the flagship trains, the orange (Eurofima Am) and later (Bpm) could occasionally be found in such long distance trains. These chances increased as coaches once used for international routes were made available as those consists were at that point operated by foreign railways. For example, some services between Munich and Switzerland which had been operated with SBB coaches may have switched to DB coaches, making the SBB rolling stock available for other uses.

Regards

Mike C


Re: RIC Am & Bm corridor coaches

csipromo
 

A number of the coaches from the final delivery of the Bm RIC coaches (11 compartments) were delivered from the factory in the C1 (Orange) livery as chosen for the VSE (Voiture Standard Europeene) aka Eurofima coaches. That said, it was quite common for the Eurofima Am (1977) to be used in combination with earlier coaches in the green livery.
The main difference between the RIC and UIC-X coaches and the new generation UIC-Z coaches (Eurofima type) was that the newer coaches were delivered with air conditioning, which made them more common to find in the top Intercity (IC) and Express trains. A few years later, the SBB received 30 air conditioned Bpm Open Seating coaches, most of which went into service in those top tier trains. Less than a decade later, those coaches formed the backbone of the SBB fleet in the new EuroCity system (1987) until the delivery of the new EC'90 coaches starting in 1990. At that point, the older RIC coaches were either downgraded to secondary use or modified for domestic (inland) operation. The oldest coaches were gradually taken out of service while the most recent are still in use today in many trains although their end of life is near.

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