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Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

tudor erich
 

How about the Centovalli?
Bernard


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.09.2021 um 20:04 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
When I was in Moutier I saw an MBC locomotive. Any interesting MBC rides?
MBC owns one standard gauge locomotive so it might technically be possible to meet it in Moutier. But MBC's home base is Morges (between Lausanne and Genève). MBC has freight traffic on transporter bogies. However, the freight trains don't go every hour like the passenger trains....

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Some "amendments"

Am 22.09.2021 um 16:53 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
Reinforcing what was said above... I think that Aigle is a good place
to view some narrow gauge traffic.
However, Aigle - Le Sepey is closed, not sure when they will have
repaired the line.

There used to be a number of companies which connected the town to various destinations north and south. I don't know whether these companies have experienced the same types of mergers as has been
seen in other areas.
It's all TPC now.

The other area that might be of interest would be the narrow gauge network in the St. Gallen area (Appenzeller Bahn, etc)
All narrow gauge East of RhB and Forchbahn is now Appenzeller Bahnen,
including Frauenfeld Wil. Also included the standard gauge rack railway
Rorschach - Heiden. Very recommended on sunny days when they convey the
old open coaches of 1875!! Take the Post bus to Trogen and enjoy a ride
with the new Tango trains of AB down to St. Gallen with partly
marvelsous views to the Bodensee (Lake of Contance). AContinue with the
same train to Gais where the rack railway down to Altstätten branches
off. Return to Gais and continue to Appenzell, from where you can take
another AB train down to Gossau with trains to Zürich. The third rack
railway of AB, Rheineck - Walzenhausen with 1200 mm gauge has bus
replacment becaus of a defect on the only motor coach (of 1958).

If you want to revisit areas, the MIB is now part of the Zentralbahn and this has meant some changes in the service in the Meiringen
area.
No services changes yet, only the colour changed!

There is also the introduction of the gauge changing coaches on the MOB which might be of interest.
Not yet. Only test rides.

For the record, the Rigibahn is standard gauge, but even there, there
are new trainsets, making it potentially worth the revisit.
The new trainsets look somewhat special but are not yet in service. Enjoy the old trains for the last time...

Not yet mentioned was the Chemins de fer du Jura. You can reach La Chaux-de-Fonds in two hours from Zürich. CJ also has freight trains. standard gauge wagons on transporter trucks and garbage in coantainers.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

Thanks so much for all your replies. I now have a lot to chew on over the next two weeks. Aigle sounds interesting. Of all the places I have visited I have always subconsciously avoided the French section of the country because the language is like Chinese to me. When I was in Moutier I saw an MBC locomotive. Any interesting MBC rides? I did forget to mention I have been on the Centovalli, BOB, WAB and Chamoux lines.

John


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

csipromo
 

Reinforcing what was said above...
I think that Aigle is a good place to view some narrow gauge traffic. There used to be a number of companies which connected the town to various destinations north and south. I don't know whether these companies have experienced the same types of mergers as has been seen in other areas.
The other area that might be of interest would be the narrow gauge network in the St. Gallen area (Appenzeller Bahn, etc)
If you want to revisit areas, the MIB is now part of the Zentralbahn and this has meant some changes in the service in the Meiringen area.
There is also the introduction of the gauge changing coaches on the MOB which might be of interest.
There is also the Interlaken area with BOB to Grindelwald, Lauterbrunnen, Murren, etc. I don't know how much travel you have done there.
You could also check out the Gruyere area (BAM, etc).
Your list does not mention the Centovalli (FART) nor the FLP (Lugano)
For the record, the Rigibahn is standard gauge, but even there, there are new trainsets, making it potentially worth the revisit.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Andrew Moglestue
 

If you are based in Zürich, and want to do some non-touristic narrow-gauge lines that nevertheless have their charms and are scenic, I would recommend the Bremgarten Dietikon. I would travel from Zürich to Dietikon on the S-Bahn. Highlights of the Bremgarten Dietikon include street running at the Dietikon end (and a short bit in Bremgarten), the hairpin curves on ascending the Mutschellen and the bridge over the Reuss in Bremgarten. Much of the line still runs through unbuilt green land and offers some panoramic views in places.

You could make a round trip out of this by not going back the same way but changing to the SBB in Wohlen. You could go from there to Lenzburg and ride the Seetalbahn to Luzern. This is not narrow gauge but a very pretty line nevertheless that runs along the roadside in many places, cutting through the middle of picturesque villages. Once in Luzern you could catch the narrow gauge to Engelberg, another much underrated line in my opinion, and if time allows, maybe even fit in a trip on a lake steamer.

This would probably be my favourite round trip. when starting from Zürich

If you like more bread and butter type narrow gauge (as I do) that are maybe not quite as scenic but still have that special narrow gauge atmosphere about them, two more you can easily fit in in day trips or even half-day trips from Zürich would be the Frauenfeld Wil and the AAR lines from Aarau. Another of my favourites is the Bipperlisi which goes from Langenthal to Solothurn and also has some street running and lots of quaint little details. On reaching Solothurn you can transfer to another narrow gauge line with quite a different feel to it. This is the RBS that you can ride to Bern, and then come back to Zürich by SBB.

When in Zürich and you just have an hour or so to spare in between things or to keep you amused in the evening, there is Forchbahn starting from Zürich Stadelhofen. It starts off as a tram, sharing tracks with the urban tram system, and the turns into a proper narrow gauge line on leaving the city. You probably never realized that such pretty areas existed so close to Zürich. In a similar vein, the BLT lines around Basel are worth exploring, most prominently the line to Rodersdorf which actually cuts through a short bit of France.

Then of course back to more mountainous stuff there are the various lines of the Appenzeller system which you can easily fit in in a day trip with time to spare.


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Alan McMillan
 

What about the AL, AOMC and ASD lines out of Aigle? Not as interesting as it used to be since the rebuild of Aigle Station but still a nice set of metre gauge lines. Take a walk, or the train, up the AL line to the depot at the top of the town. You'll not be disappointed.

Regards

Alan


Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

I will be returning to Switzerland for train photography in the middle of October after missing last year. I am looking for some interesting narrow gauge trains that can be taken on one day, Zürich round trip excursions. Something a little popular than the main tourist ones.

I have already been on the popular routes; RhB (including Bernina), MGB, Gornergrat, MOB, Brünig, CJ, MO (Martigny), Pilatus and Rigi.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
John


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

2012 is now withdrawn


Re: Thurbo original GTW 2/6

csipromo
 

Thanks for the update/clarification.

Mike C


Re: Thurbo original GTW 2/6

Martin Baumann
 

Bt 224 was supposed to be preserved with 683 but has now gone to Kaiseraugst for scrap. An unconfirmed report suggested Thurbo were asking for too much money for the two vehicles.


Re: Thurbo original GTW 2/6

csipromo
 

I had heard that one set and one additional driving trailer (pilot coach) were to be preserved.

Regards

Mike C


Thurbo original GTW 2/6

Martin Baumann
 

Thurbo acquired GTW 2/6 railcars (94 85 7) 526 680 to 526 689 in 1998 and 1999 along with driving trailers Bt (50 85 29-35) 221 to 224

The last of these vehicles were stopped on July 5th and all have been scrapped except 526 683 which has been preserved by Verein MThB-NPZ (https://mthb-npz.ch/wordpress/?page_id=4446)


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

Copying transport operators in other countries, such as Boston's MBTA using a commuter train, Zürich are now using 2043+2408 as a vaccination tram:

https://www.zh.ch/de/gesundheit/coronavirus/coronavirus-impfung/impftram.html

https://www.zh.ch/de/news-uebersicht/medienmitteilungen/2021/09/das-impftram-ist-unterwegs-eine-million-menschen-im-kanton-zuerich-geimpft.html#2076329120

(Both German)

The two cars will not return to passenger service when no longer required for vaccinations


Re: Zurich airport screenshot

George Raymond
 

Check 0:52 of this YouTube video .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RppyPhfPMSM
Thanks... The train certainly produces less smoke when starting.

George


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Zurich airport screenshot

John Lovda
 

Check 0:52 of this YouTube video .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RppyPhfPMSM

Have a nice day,
John


Re: BLS 420 Diagrams

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 09:00 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


If no 420.5 is available then a 465 would be used. As these get their R3 and
hideous paint scheme they no longer have the ability to work with EWII.

Those not yet done are 002 003 005 006 008 016 017
465 003 has now been done, laeving 6 blue locos that can still work with EWIII


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

4013 is now in service.

4009 is currently under repair after a collision with 2058 at Rehalp on June 23rd 2058 will not run again


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

2006 is also confirmed scrapped


Re: BLS 420 Diagrams

Tim G
 

Thanks to all for the information on the 420.5s.
I am after 420 502, I hope to have another try for it on Saturday 11th September, so hopefully it will be back in traffic by then.
Amazing how many times you can cover two diagrams for 3 locos and never get the one you are after!
Fingers crossed, it will probably be my last chance for 502 by the sounds of things.
Regards
Tim

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