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Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

I just checked Bex to Col-de-Bretaye (Direction Villars-sur-Ollon). It looks interesting. Does the train leave from the SBB station?

I believe I was once in Monthey by accident after taking the wrong train from Martigny. The SBB line ended but Google maps shows some railroad tracks continuing north on the west side of the Rhone River. Anything interesting there?

Jogn


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

While searching Google Maps in the Bex - Monthey area I see a rail line running from roughly Monthey//Collombey down south to Champéry. The trains appear to be green (Google photos). Does anyone know about this line?

John


Re: RhB motive power

Guerbetaler
 

Am 29.09.2021 um 17:49 schrieb Guerbetaler via groups.io:
Engadin was served by
613-push-pull-1758
3104 (STZ)
515-2418-2413-1716
705 on the freight
603 on local freight (Samedan)
222-353 on an Extra to Scuol and they came back with three freight cars
The Vereina car-shuttles are now with BDt 1721-23 and 1731.
645 was there with an empty shuttle, the two active locomotives can't be seen on the Klosters side, as they don't leave the tunnel.

Using the Filisur webcam together with my sightings I can add some assignments on the Albula:

642, 646 and 648 with Alvras
647 with Alvra seems to have had MU problems 10:30
https://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/m210929102915220
and was later replaced by 641 (19:03 up)
3503 and 3504 with EW II and Bt
633, 643, 702, 703 on freights
615, 618 (up) and one more (down) pulling GEX
several ZTZ (Allegra) with BEX

And to repeat the Filisur webcam rule:
Track 1 is down, track 2 is up, track 3 is Davos.
IRs are back at the same place after 6 hours, Filisur is in the middle,
thus 9:00 up, 12:00 down, 15:00 up, 18:00 down should be the same consist, if not exchanged anywhere.

Markus


Re: RhB motive power

Guerbetaler
 

Am 29.09.2021 um 18:52 schrieb Mick Sasse:
would it ever be feasible / practicable for the Davos - Filisur
historic train to use 222 or 353 (or both....!)?
The problem is that 353 and 222 are not fitted with ZSI (the narrow gauge ATP system) and are thus not allowed on regular services. They can only be used in a restricted number of Extras. Otherwise it would be necessary to fit them with ZSI.

Markus


RhB motive power

Guerbetaler
 

The Davos services are now fully deer and the historic train to Filisur has a red locomotive, as one Crocodile is still being repaired. Disentis - Scuol is still fully in the hands of Ge 4/4 II, the Capricorns should take over between Summer 2022 and December 2023. The St. Moritz-Vereina-RE are still a mixture of what is available but mostly Ge 4/4 II. More Capricorns will arrive by December of this year and they will run combined with a Davos train between Klosters and Landquart.

Four push-pull-sets with a bicycle coach are still in service, three are scheduled for Scuol - Pontresina and one for St. Moritz - Landquart. Today there were only two available and the Engadin was served by
613-push-pull-1758
3104 (STZ)
515-2418-2413-1716
705 on the freight
603 on local freight (Samedan)
222-353 on an Extra to Scuol and they came back with three freight cars

The Vereina car-shuttles are now with BDt 1721-23 and 1731.

Markus


Re: BLS Re 4/4

Martin Baumann
 

178 and 186 are confirmed withdrawn


11425

Martin Baumann
 

Ae 6/6 11425 worked NJ 401 between Basl and Zürich HB (arrive 0905) today. This was the driver's last run before retirement and retiring SBB drivers are often allowed to choose special motive power for this.

( https://www.facebook.com/info24SchweizEuropa/photos/a.4261348947249739/4519021881482443/ )


Re: Gais - Altstätten Stadt (was Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.09.2021 um 01:43 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
I agree it's a pity the connection closed [...]It doesn't help that the train takes The link closed in the 'closure> phase' of the late 1960s - early 1970s period when a number of lines succumbed and a number of others only survived by the skin of their teeth.
It is certain that the existence of a rail link to Altstätten railway
station would double the chance of a survival of this line, as it is a
really quick connection from Appenzell to Buchs, Sargans and Chur and
v/v. It is now too often that the connection to the bus isn't reached in
Altstätten Stadt.

It can currently generate a certain number of rides transporting cycles
and sledges and attracting travellers with the open coach.

For now we can say that it will survive as long the existing motor
coaches 16 and 17 carry on and that might be until the 2030ies

The link was also complicated in terms of ownership arrangements.
This wouldnt be a problem today but helped to close the line!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Gais - Altstätten Stadt (was Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains)

gordonwis
 

On Friday, 24 September 2021, 09:39:10 BST, Mick Sasse <micksasse@...> wrote:
(To my mind the section from Altstätten SBB to Altstätten Stadt should never have closed - the walk is actually quite tedious and doubtles the need for that walk or double interchange via bus does not help the railway's attractiveness!)
I agree it's a pity the connection closed, and I found it a really irritating hassle last time I did the whole route but this is one of the situations when railway enthusiasm doesn't necessarily equate with easy local politics of economics. With the best will in the world the line is tangential and not in a hotbed tourist area or area of great population, two of the things that might keep other Swiss lines above water. The link was also complicated in terms of ownership arrangements. It doesn't help that the train takes The link closed in the 'closure phase' of the late 1960s - early 1970s period when a number of lines succumbed and a number of others only survived by the skin of their teeth.


Re: Glacier Express pulled by Allegra?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.09.2021 um 07:18 schrieb John Beaulieu:
Is the Glacier Express ever pulled by Allegra EMU sets? What about if
the scheduled locomotive fails at St. Moritz? A poster on another
forum said that GE 4/4 II 619 was on the rear of his train.
A Ge 4/4 II would be the normal thing. But everything else is possible. However, I'm not aware of an Allegra at the head of a GEX until now. But it will happen, one day...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.09.2021 um 02:27 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Combe-Tabeillon is even more interesting than Chambrelien, as the
line loops twice so there are tracks parallel at three levels, like
Berguen on the RhB and Wassen on the Gotthard. It's well worth a
visit as it has survived a few closure attempts.
The line was closed in 1948 and only reopened in 1953 after being regauged from standard to meter gauge.

You get almost the same effect at Villars if travelling Bex -
Bretaye
... with two important differences:
1) the two branches were not built at the same time and not even by the same company, the line from Bex originally continuing to Chesières;
2) the switchback isn't in the middle of nowhere but in the middle of a village.

You could finally say the same about the switchback in Luzern of a Basel-Lugano train :-P

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 September 2021, 22:22:29 BST, Guerbetaler via groups.io <guerbetaler@...> wrote:
The other switchback station in Switzerland is on the CJ-line from
Glovelier to Saignelégier. That's Combe-Tabeillon.
Combe-Tabeillon is even more interesting than Chambrelien, as the line loops twice so there are tracks parallel at three levels, like Berguen on the RhB and Wassen on the Gotthard. It's well worth a visit as it has survived a few closure attempts.

You get almost the same effect at Villars if travelling Bex - Bretaye


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 September 2021, 16:16:51 BST, John Lovda via groups.io <jlovda@...> wrote:
Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to travel down the mountains?
Yes, that is the legendary Chambrelien. It is a real throw back to the early days of railways in mountainous regions. It's still great fun to experience, but I can remember back to the days when the loco even had to run round the train.


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

jpnoiville
 

the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions.
The switchback station is Chambrelien. The only other one is Combe-Tabeillon on the meter gauge CJ line between Glovelier and Saignelégier

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Gais - Altstätten Stadt (was Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains)

Mick Sasse
 

Another reason to do Altstätten - Gais, beyond its inherent interest, is that it is, very unfortunately, threatened with closure too. (To my mind the section from Altstätten SBB to Altstätten Stadt should never have closed - the walk is actually quite tedious and doubtles the need for that walk or double interchange via bus does not help the railway's attractiveness!)


Glacier Express pulled by Allegra?

John Beaulieu
 

Is the Glacier Express ever pulled by Allegra EMU sets? What about if the scheduled locomotive fails at St. Moritz? A poster on another forum said that GE 4/4 II 619 was on the rear of his train.

John Beaulieu


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 00:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Gais - Altstaetten should be near the top of John's list.
In my opinion it is the only section of the Appenzeller Bahnen remaining with any 'character' - the rest is still good for scenic views but the 'supertram' type vehicles are rather 'urban' in style and not as characterful as traditional 'typical Swiss metre gauge railway train' style vehicles were.
May be true for Trogen - St. Gallen - Appenzell and Frauenfeld - Wil, but "not always" for Rorschach - Heiden and Gossau - Wasserauen. Heiden on sunny days sees old open stock being pushed and in Gossau the Stadler three car units may get additional coaches and driving trailers of older build or even open plattform Buffet coach attached. Especially interesting when running as Quöllfrisch-Express, promoting a local beer... ;-) Unfortunately no more dates for 2021.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Bex - Villars - Bretaye, was: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 00:30 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I thought at some time in the past some trains used the chord at Villars to go direct Bex - Bretaye , at least for a period of years., but I agree I don't think it was 7/365
I was told, by TPC staff, that only 21-26 are allowed to use the chord.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 15:01 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride
back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle
of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to
travel down the mountains?
Chambrelien is between La Chaux-de-Fonds and Neuchâtel. The line is currently closed for tunnel refurbishment. After that it shall be kept in service for another ten years or so and should then be repalced with a faster, more direct ... and steeper line.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2552340&N=1202025&zoom=6&crosshair=marker

The other possibility to travel down the mountains is the line from La Chaux-de-Fonds to Biel/Bienne. To/from Zürich this is the preferred connection.

The other switchback station in Switzerland is on the CJ-line from Glovelier to Saignelégier. That's Combe-Tabeillon.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2578735&N=1240283&zoom=7&crosshair=marker

It is interestingto mention that only in the Jura mountains you can find switchbacks but not in the Alps. Chambrelien was opened in 1859 and at that time there were no railways in the Alps.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

My goodness. Thank you all for the number of suggestions. I am cutting and pasting all your comments and putting them in one document that I can highlight, refer to and do research on.

I did mention CJ earlier. Three or four years ago I ventured "into the French area" and took the CJ train from Glovelier to La Chaux-de-Fonds. It was described in an SBB travel brochure as one of the scenic train routes in the country. I noticed it was missing the following year. Unfortunately, about half way into the ride, because of construction, all the passengers departed the train and took buses for the remainder of the journey. Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to travel down the mountains?

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