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Re: Glacier Express pulled by Allegra?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.09.2021 um 07:18 schrieb John Beaulieu:
Is the Glacier Express ever pulled by Allegra EMU sets? What about if
the scheduled locomotive fails at St. Moritz? A poster on another
forum said that GE 4/4 II 619 was on the rear of his train.
A Ge 4/4 II would be the normal thing. But everything else is possible. However, I'm not aware of an Allegra at the head of a GEX until now. But it will happen, one day...

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.09.2021 um 02:27 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Combe-Tabeillon is even more interesting than Chambrelien, as the
line loops twice so there are tracks parallel at three levels, like
Berguen on the RhB and Wassen on the Gotthard. It's well worth a
visit as it has survived a few closure attempts.
The line was closed in 1948 and only reopened in 1953 after being regauged from standard to meter gauge.

You get almost the same effect at Villars if travelling Bex -
Bretaye
... with two important differences:
1) the two branches were not built at the same time and not even by the same company, the line from Bex originally continuing to Chesières;
2) the switchback isn't in the middle of nowhere but in the middle of a village.

You could finally say the same about the switchback in Luzern of a Basel-Lugano train :-P

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 September 2021, 22:22:29 BST, Guerbetaler via groups.io <guerbetaler=sunrise.ch@groups.io> wrote:
The other switchback station in Switzerland is on the CJ-line from
Glovelier to Saignelégier. That's Combe-Tabeillon.
Combe-Tabeillon is even more interesting than Chambrelien, as the line loops twice so there are tracks parallel at three levels, like Berguen on the RhB and Wassen on the Gotthard. It's well worth a visit as it has survived a few closure attempts.

You get almost the same effect at Villars if travelling Bex - Bretaye


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 September 2021, 16:16:51 BST, John Lovda via groups.io <jlovda=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to travel down the mountains?
Yes, that is the legendary Chambrelien. It is a real throw back to the early days of railways in mountainous regions. It's still great fun to experience, but I can remember back to the days when the loco even had to run round the train.


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

jpnoiville
 

the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions.
The switchback station is Chambrelien. The only other one is Combe-Tabeillon on the meter gauge CJ line between Glovelier and Saignelégier

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Gais - Altstätten Stadt (was Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains)

Mick Sasse
 

Another reason to do Altstätten - Gais, beyond its inherent interest, is that it is, very unfortunately, threatened with closure too. (To my mind the section from Altstätten SBB to Altstätten Stadt should never have closed - the walk is actually quite tedious and doubtles the need for that walk or double interchange via bus does not help the railway's attractiveness!)


Glacier Express pulled by Allegra?

John Beaulieu
 

Is the Glacier Express ever pulled by Allegra EMU sets? What about if the scheduled locomotive fails at St. Moritz? A poster on another forum said that GE 4/4 II 619 was on the rear of his train.

John Beaulieu


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 00:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Gais - Altstaetten should be near the top of John's list.
In my opinion it is the only section of the Appenzeller Bahnen remaining with any 'character' - the rest is still good for scenic views but the 'supertram' type vehicles are rather 'urban' in style and not as characterful as traditional 'typical Swiss metre gauge railway train' style vehicles were.
May be true for Trogen - St. Gallen - Appenzell and Frauenfeld - Wil, but "not always" for Rorschach - Heiden and Gossau - Wasserauen. Heiden on sunny days sees old open stock being pushed and in Gossau the Stadler three car units may get additional coaches and driving trailers of older build or even open plattform Buffet coach attached. Especially interesting when running as Quöllfrisch-Express, promoting a local beer... ;-) Unfortunately no more dates for 2021.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Bex - Villars - Bretaye, was: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 00:30 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I thought at some time in the past some trains used the chord at Villars to go direct Bex - Bretaye , at least for a period of years., but I agree I don't think it was 7/365
I was told, by TPC staff, that only 21-26 are allowed to use the chord.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 15:01 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride
back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle
of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to
travel down the mountains?
Chambrelien is between La Chaux-de-Fonds and Neuchâtel. The line is currently closed for tunnel refurbishment. After that it shall be kept in service for another ten years or so and should then be repalced with a faster, more direct ... and steeper line.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2552340&N=1202025&zoom=6&crosshair=marker

The other possibility to travel down the mountains is the line from La Chaux-de-Fonds to Biel/Bienne. To/from Zürich this is the preferred connection.

The other switchback station in Switzerland is on the CJ-line from Glovelier to Saignelégier. That's Combe-Tabeillon.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2578735&N=1240283&zoom=7&crosshair=marker

It is interestingto mention that only in the Jura mountains you can find switchbacks but not in the Alps. Chambrelien was opened in 1859 and at that time there were no railways in the Alps.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

John Lovda
 

My goodness. Thank you all for the number of suggestions. I am cutting and pasting all your comments and putting them in one document that I can highlight, refer to and do research on.

I did mention CJ earlier. Three or four years ago I ventured "into the French area" and took the CJ train from Glovelier to La Chaux-de-Fonds. It was described in an SBB travel brochure as one of the scenic train routes in the country. I noticed it was missing the following year. Unfortunately, about half way into the ride, because of construction, all the passengers departed the train and took buses for the remainder of the journey. Actually the most unusual thing I remember was the standard BLS ride back to Neuchatel where the train stopped at a dead end in the middle of nowhere and switched directions. Is this the standard route to travel down the mountains?


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Robin Jorimann
 

Nearer Zurich how about the Forchbahn or Bremgarten - Dietikon? 
Wherever you go have a great trip - I am definitely getting withdrawal symptoms! 


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Gais - Altstaetten should be near the top of John's list.
In my opinion it is the only section of the Appenzeller Bahnen remaining with any 'character' - the rest is still good for scenic views but the 'supertram' type vehicles are rather 'urban' in style and not as characterful as traditional 'typical Swiss metre gauge railway train' style vehicles were.

Guerbetaler wrote:
... to Gais where the rack railway down to Altstätten branches
off.


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

Gais - Altstaetten should be near the top of John's list.
In my opinion it is the only section of the Appenzeller Bahnen remaining with any 'character' - the rest is still good for scenic views but the 'supertram' type vehicles are rather 'urban' in style and not as characterful as traditional 'typical Swiss metre gauge railway train' style vehicles were.

Guerbetaler wrote:
... to Gais where the rack railway down to Altstätten branches
off.


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

I initially avoided mentioning places too far west as the original post talked about trips in a day from Zurich. Aigle / Bex area is too far from Zurich for it all to be done in one day.

However as the discussion seems to have widened to the whole country, no one has mentioned the extensive CJ (Chemins de Fer du Jura) network (possibly because it does not serve Graubuenden he said cheekily)


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

MBC stands for Morges - Biere - Cossonay. It has one funicular (at Cossonay), buses and one metre-gauge railway line In 'old money' it was the BAM (Biere - Apples Morges) [sorry but I much preferred the 'old days' in Switzerland with all separate lines each with their own initials].

BAM is metre gauge and runs from Morges to Biere, with a junction from Apples to L'Isle Mont la Ville. I'm somewhat surprised you haven't heard of this line as there have been quite a few English language articles over the years making linguistic fun of the fact that two of the main stations sound like foodstuffs. Like most lines, this has gone over to '21st century' units but they still have some metre gauge locomotives because there is still occasional heavy military train and freight traffic. In recent years new quarries were opened on the line, and a large new fleet of wagons was bought.

The loco you saw was the MBC's one and only standard gauge Re4/4. This was purchased to operate the standard gauge section of the quarry service between Morges and Gland.

I saw an MBC locomotive. Any interesting MBC rides? 


Re: Bex - Villars - Bretaye, was: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I thought at some time in the past some trains used the chord at Villars to go direct Bex - Bretaye , at least for a period of years., but I agree I don't think it was 7/365 Then they seemingly ran out of storage space and started using the chord to store rolling stock!



From 12th December 2021 on the trains will continue from Villars to
Bretaye. AFAIK it is the first time that regular trains will work
through. Until now you always had to change in Villars!!


Re: Bex - Villars - Bretaye, was: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.09.2021 um 00:08 schrieb jpnoiville:
But I would recommand the BVB line out of Bex (between Aigle and
St-Maurice). There is extensive street running in Bex, then a
cogwheel section to Gryon, and from there to Villars the train runs
by or on the road, with blind corners and very sharp curves. Worth a
visit !
From 12th December 2021 on the trains will continue from Villars to Bretaye. AFAIK it is the first time that regular trains will work through. Until now you always had to change in Villars!!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

jpnoiville
 

About Aigle : Aigle-Leysin has spectacular street running in Aigle especially when going against the traffic in a single lane street. But I would recommand the BVB line out of Bex (between Aigle and St-Maurice). There is extensive street running in Bex, then a cogwheel section to Gryon, and from there to Villars the train runs by or on the road, with blind corners and very sharp curves. Worth a visit !

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Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

gordonwis
 

On Wednesday, 22 September 2021, 15:53:15 BST, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I think that Aigle is a good place to view some narrow gauge traffic. There used to be a number of companies which connected the town to various destinations north and south. I don't know whether these companies have experienced the same types of mergers as has been seen in other areas.

The Aigle network couldn' t be more mergered if it tried!

All now one company TPC Transport Public du Chablais

Original companies
A-L (Aigle - Leysin)
ASD (Aigle Sepey Diablerets)
AOMC (Monthey - Champery) Itself an earlier merger of AOM and MC
Bex - Villars - Bretaye


Re: Less travelled narrow gauge trains

David Prior
 

Appenzellerbahn routes maybe ?

Or Zentralbahn, Luzern-Engelberg/Interlaken; ZB also operates Innertkirchen branch from Meiringen.

Certainly easy to cover in a day if based in Zürich.

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