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Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

4020 and 4021 are in service 2038 and 2308 have gone for scrap


Re: SBB EC Coach question

Martin Baumann
 

B 220 was withdrawn after an accident near Domodossola 05.07.1995

247 was damaged in the Olten fire and was then rebuilt as the measuring vehicle


Re: SBB EC Coach question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.01.2022 um 14:03 schrieb Martin Baumann:
When were the first Apm 10-90 and Bpm 20-90 fitted for push-pull operation? 
As Mike said, the modernisation started in 2009 (SER 11/2009) and was finished in 2014 (SER 6/2014). Apart form an important renewal program it included the necessary mechanical adaptation for push-pull service. Of the original 70 + 155 coaches, 68 Apm and 152 Bpm were modernised. Apm 263, Bpm 244 and 306 burnt out during the revision in Olten (SER 5/2011), Apm 247 was sold to the infrastructure as measuring vehicle 99 85 9361 247-1 and Bpm 220 seems to have been destroyed abroad, but I can't find a date.

The panoramic Apm 61 85 19-90 100-111 are not allowed in push-pull operation as their structure is thought to be insufficient for pushing. The same was true for the former B 20-73 ex Bpm 500-529 and for the non air conditioned B 21-73 ex Bpm ex Bm. However, one of these coaches was once seen in an push-pull consist between Brig and Lausanne...

Markus


NPZ Domino

Martin Baumann
 

These units don't get mentioned on the group very often.

Tpf took over some Fribourg area S-Bahn services from SBB at the timetable change and have bought the following vehicles from SBB:

560 235 to 560 243 inclusive

560 245

560 247

ABt 39-43 808 812 834 838 841 863 865 866 873 884 899

B 20-43 006 019 023

B 29-43 103 113 122 123 139 152 155 162 177 184 186


Re: SBB EC Coach question

Martin Baumann
 

They were not built with push-pull capability


Not Swiss but WTF

csipromo
 


Re: SBB EC Coach question

csipromo
 

I'm guessing that it was around 2009 as the coaches were repainted in the new livery. The revision included the modification of the buffers and other changes required for push-pull operation. I do not recall any photos or sightings of EC coaches in the original livery in push-pull operations. I do not recall seeing any EC coaches (other than the IC Bt) in Pendelzug consists on my visit in 2004.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8CtWoVbQBk

Regards

Mike C


SBB EC Coach question

Martin Baumann
 

This is probably for Markus:

When were the first Apm 10-90 and Bpm 20-90 fitted for push-pull operation?


Re: Pictures from Sissach (2002/2003)

csipromo
 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 09:42 AM, <reissr@...> wrote:


http://reissweb.net/images/ac2509g.jpg
I remember those photos from your website.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Pictures from Sissach (2002/2003)

reissr@...
 

I've visited Sissach two times.

2002/10/24 with Lokoop 486 652 and 655:

http://reissweb.net/images/ed0002g.jpg
http://reissweb.net/images/bd0015g.jpg

second visit on 2003/08/15 with Re 4/4 II 11336 and 11345
http://reissweb.net/images/ac2509g.jpg

Regards
Reinhard


Re: Sissach

csipromo
 

Just a general comment about topics like this. It would be helpful to post a link to the photo if you cannot include the photo in the original message.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Sissach

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.01.2022 um 22:08 schrieb Guerbetaler via groups.io:
I don't know what it served for but can hardly imagine anything else than excavation loading.
EA 5/2000: In Schlatt soll eine ehemalige Tongrube mit Ausbruchmaterial des Strassentunnels der Umfahrung Sissach gefüllt werden, wozu ein Anschlussgleis erstellt wird. Ab Mitte 2000 verkehren LOKOOP-bespannte Blockzüge ab Sissach via Olten VL—Regensdorf—Seebach—Schaffhausen nach Schlatt, möglicherweise mit den geleasten, neuen Re 486 (Typ DB-E 145).

EA 6/2001: Die Züge von Sissach nach Schlatt mit Aushub aus dem Chienberg-Strassentunnel (Umfahrung Sissach) fahren seit Februar sporadisch; gefüllt werden die Wagen jeweils am Vormittag. Täglich werden die Züge voraussichtlich nächstes Jahr fahren.

short: Excavation from Chienberg street tunnel was shipped to Schlatt (Thurgau), traction by Lokoop. This company ended its activity on 13 October 2002 and SBBC took over. EA 4/2004 reported that the transports had ended.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: EWI Question (Prototype and Model)

Robin Jorimann
 

Alan Thank you - I will do that as soon as the chaos that is known as family have gone!!!!


Re: Sissach

George Raymond
 

 

Am 06.01.2022 um 20:49 schrieb yatton123 via groups.io:

Another query prompted by a photograph - this time it's a photo taken spring 2003 at Sissach.
It shows a Re6 running on track set into a road but parallel with the main Basel - Olten line.
I think it's the line that used to run from Sissach station for about 1.5 km towards Basel (south side of the main line).
Does anyone know what this line served ?

>This track can be seen in the 2000 version of the official maps and disappears in the 2006 version.
>https://map.geo.admin.ch/?>lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.swissimage&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen&layers_opacity=1&layers_visibility=true&layers_timestamp=20001231,,,,&E=2627152.88&N=1257329.72&zoom=9

>I don't know what it served for but can hardly imagine anything else than excavation loading.

I recall seeing this track in the road here from 2000 to 2005 (about). Automatic crossing gates prevented road vehicles from using this section in either direction while a train was coming through. They used the track to (un)load some sort of construction materials in open-topped or dry-bulk wagons, perhaps for an upgrade of the motorway that passes overhead. I passed many times on the train, but never on the motorway. Perhaps someone reading this has more information.   






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Re: Sissach

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.01.2022 um 20:49 schrieb yatton123 via groups.io:
Another query prompted by a photograph - this time it's a photo taken spring 2003 at Sissach.
It shows a Re6 running on track set into a road but parallel with the main Basel - Olten line.
I think it's the line that used to run from Sissach station for about 1.5 km towards Basel (south side of the main line).
Does anyone know what this line served ?
This track can be seen in the 2000 version of the official maps and disappears in the 2006 version.
https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.swissimage&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen&layers_opacity=1&layers_visibility=true&layers_timestamp=20001231,,,,&E=2627152.88&N=1257329.72&zoom=9

I don't know what it served for but can hardly imagine anything else than excavation loading.

Markus, Gürbetal


Sissach

yatton123
 

Another query prompted by a photograph - this time it's a photo taken spring 2003 at Sissach.
It shows a Re6 running on track set into a road but parallel with the main Basel - Olten line.
I think it's the line that used to run from Sissach station for about 1.5 km towards Basel (south side of the main line).
Does anyone know what this line served ?


Re: Distributed power on the Gotthard

Guerbetaler
 

Am 05.01.2022 um 20:03 schrieb yatton123 via groups.io:
I've been sent a couple of photos of freights on the Gotthard with the assisting lok mid-train (no banker).
Does anyone know when this practice was discontinued and why ?
EA 3/1993 wrote: Ab Fahrplanwechsel 1993 wird der rangieraufwendige Zwischenlokdienst am Gotthard und Ceneri aufgegeben und durch Schiebedienst mit maximal einer Re 4/4 II/III ersetzt. Die Vielfachsteuer-Kombinationen Re 6/6 / Re 4/4 werden meist Basel—Chiasso durchlaufen . Maximale Anhängelast auf den Rampenstrecken 1300 t für Re 6/6 / Re 4/4-Kombination; 1600 t bei Spitze Re 6/6/Re 4/4 und Schub Re 4/4.

So it ended in May 1993 for Gotthard and Ceneri, because it was too expensive to cut the mid-train helper into the consist. It was then possible to use a banker to incrase maximum load from 1300 t to 1600 t.

In following numbers I found, that for some time two consists Re 460 - 14 container wagons were coupled, where the second Re 460 was MUed over the ep-cable.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Distributed power on the Gotthard

Max Wyss
 

There is rarely any freight over the pass anymore. 

Additional locomotives (German term Zwischenloks) were used when the train's weight was beyond the allowed maximum, leading to excessive longitudinal forces. The locomotive was cut in where the forces were still allowed, leaving the rest to the leading locomotive(s). 

With the base tunnel, this practice is no longer needed. 

FWIW, over the Lötschberg, they were using pushers, which stayed on the train until Domodossola, allowing to use regenerative braking of the train, without getting beyond the maximum buffer pressure.

Max.


Distributed power on the Gotthard

yatton123
 

I've been sent a couple of photos of freights on the Gotthard with the assisting lok mid-train (no banker).
Does anyone know when this practice was discontinued and why ?


2022

csipromo
 

Happy New Year and thank you for all of the interesting discussions, information and for sharing your love of Swiss trains.

Regards

Mike C

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