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Re: BN EW IA Numbers

csipromo
 

I know that there were AFAIR 13 EWI A in the combined BLS/SEZ/BN fleet. This was the model by Lima for the late 70s/early 80s:
309513: 50 63 18-33 806-2

I have books which provide road numbers for coaches for SBB rolling stock. I do not have the same information for BLS coaches.
I also have information in books for SOB and BT but never came across similar for the BLS Group.

Markus likely has more information and it would be cool if he could provide a source (book) for same.

Regards

Mike C


BN EW IA Numbers

Alan McMillan
 

A quick question for Markus:
I've discovered I haven't created decals for the EWIA that will be part of my six car BLS/BN train in 1976 livery. Do you by any chance have numbers for either BLS or BN A vehicles?

Regards

Alan
Edinburgh


Re: Observations - June 2022

Guerbetaler
 

Am 26.06.2022 um 20:12 schrieb Max Goldstein:
> BOB: All of the trains I saw had the Lauterbrunnen portion hauled by > an ABeh 4/4 II (311 - 313), with the Grindelwald portion hauled by an > ABDeh 8/8. This was a pleasant surprise, as I was under the > impression that 311 - 313 were only kept in reserve and used when one > of the newer units was unavailable. Obviously some of the ABDeh 8/8 were not available. Maybe that some upgrades were due .
> MOB: All Montreux - Zweisimmen services I observed during my journey > were in the hands of the 9000 series railcars, although I did get to > enjoy a ride in one of the oldest panorama cars, As 112.
No 8000 at the other end of the train? All 4 driving trailers working?
> TPC: The AOMC line was a replacement bus between Val-d'Illiez and > Champéry, not advertised on the SBB journey planner but was shown on > TPC's website when I checked afterwards! I was surprised to see > ex-AOMC Beh 4/8 592 working the ASD line.
That's not so rare. 591-592 can be use as an additional unit together with 541-547 in peak traffic. For the rest they are often used as replacement for 401-404 on the ASD. Interestingly 591 is lettered AOMC/ASD, but 592 only AOMC! Photo from 13 March 2018 when 591 worked the ASD (and Le Sepey - Les Diablerets was closed)



> BDeh 4/4 301 was still out earning its keep on the AL, 302 was > parked next to Aigle station still in the old brown livery. Either 301/352 or 302/351 (at some point driving trailers were swapped) are regularly working one diagram. > RhB: [..-] Part of me wonders whether the RhB will actually > have a use for all 16 of 1751-1758 and 52801-52808 once all of the > Capricorns have settled in? 4 Engadin with 3101-05, 3 Arosa with Bärenwagen, 1 Schlittelzug, remains 8 for reserve, modules and peak traffic consists. Maybe 16 isn't enough. Markus, Gürbetal


Observations - June 2022

Max Goldstein
 

Hello all, just thought I'd post some general observations from my visit to Switzerland earlier this month:

VBZ: Still no shortage of Tram 2000s in Zürich. Be 4/6 2001 was running on line 15 for the duration of my stay.

BOB: All of the trains I saw had the Lauterbrunnen portion hauled by an ABeh 4/4 II (311 - 313), with the Grindelwald portion hauled by an ABDeh 8/8. This was a pleasant surprise, as I was under the impression that 311 - 313 were only kept in reserve and used when one of the newer units was unavailable.

WAB: One diagram on the Grindelwald side was BDhe 4/8 134 + 132 with Bt 251, everything else including the entire Lauterbrunnen side was Stadler Pano units 141 - 150.

MOB: All Montreux - Zweisimmen services I observed during my journey were in the hands of the 9000 series railcars, although I did get to enjoy a ride in one of the oldest panorama cars, As 112.

TPC: The AOMC line was a replacement bus between Val-d'Illiez and Champéry, not advertised on the SBB journey planner but was shown on TPC's website when I checked afterwards! I was surprised to see ex-AOMC Beh 4/8 592 working the ASD line. BDeh 4/4 301 was still out earning its keep on the AL, 302 was parked next to Aigle station still in the old brown livery.

MGB: HGe 4/4 II Nr. 4 was on Visp - Zermatt passenger duties throughout the three days I was based in Brig. No sign of any Deh 4/4s to Zermatt except for one evening service running through from Andermatt (train number 569/269). The Visp - Andermatt trains were roughly 70% Deh 4/4, 30% Stadler Komet. Almost all of the Deh 4/4s I saw were of the ex-FO variety (51-55, 91-96), I only saw one ex-BVZ example (21-24) working an Andermatt - Disentis diagram. The two ex-RhB Stammnetzpendel sets (with Be 4/4 514 and 515) were stabled outside Andermatt, next to the Göschenen line.

RhB: As expected, the Pontresina - Scuol trains are now worked by ABe 4/16 3101 - 3105 with a driving trailer for bikes (and sometimes an extra EW II). This leaves Disentis - Scuol as the last regular passenger service (not counting GEX) to be in the hands of Ge 4/4 IIs. Most of the rakes still included one or two EW Is, and none of them used driving trailers with the loco still running round at Disentis or Scuol. Part of me wonders whether the RhB will actually have a use for all 16 of 1751-1758 and 52801-52808 once all of the Capricorns have settled in?

Hope all this is of interest!


BLS 190 Basel Bad 24.06.22

davey
 

Just ran light towards Kleinhünigenhafen, a rare appearance on freight?


Extrafahrt with ex-SBB Re 4/4 III 11350 this Sunday 26.06

davey
 

Extrafahrt with ex-SBB Re 4/4 III 11350 this Sunday 26.06

https://www.dsf-koblenz.ch/index.php/08/32-07/07-0/446-55-jahre-11350


Bahn2050

Toma Bacic
 

Today, new expansion step Bahn2050 was proposed by the Federal Council.
What is the procedure now? Ratification in the parliament is announced for 2026.

Some projects are announced within the proposal: dual track expansion of the Lötschberg-Basistunnels, Brüttenertunnel (was it already approved in 2019?), Zimmerberg-Basistunnel, Stadelhofen station, junction Geneva...

regards
toma



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Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Toma Bacic
 

According to the book Les Trains du Mont-Blanc, vol 1, by Jean-Pierre Gide and José Banaudo, there were 6 sections equipped with third Fell rail:
- 2155 m between Chedde and Servoz (90 ‰)
- 1386 m between Servoz and Vaudagne (80 ‰)
- 1580 m between Les Tines and Argentière (70 ‰)
- 1615 m between Argentière and Montroc-Le Planet (70 ‰)
- 530 m between Tunnel des Montets and Le Buet (70 ‰)
- 504 m between Le Buet and Vallorcine (70 ‰)

Rolling stock purchased in 1958 (Z600) was not equipped with Fell braking equipment. The Fell third rail was removed in the 1980s.

regards
toma


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Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.06.2022 um 19:07 schrieb KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]:
Does the french side of the line still Feature the „Fell“ Type additional brake rail ?  Are the new Trainsets equipped for this? 
No, the Fell rail is long gone.
Markus


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]
 

Does the french side of the line still Feature the „Fell“ Type additional brake rail ? Are the new Trainsets equipped for this?
Klaus


Re: Le Locle - Les Brenets

Guerbetaler
 

Please adapt subject, when changing.

Am 19.06.2022 um 23:17 schrieb Toma Bacic:
> Le Locle - Les Brenets: will be replaced by bus;
When the line will be definitely closed?
IOt was announced for 2024

Also, the announced battery busses will run along the railway alignment transformed into bus only road, or on the normal road?
Both, first half on former railway alignment (including tunnel), second half on the existing road. Changeover should be here:

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&E=2545288&N=1211990&zoom=8&crosshair=marker

and here

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&E=2546840&N=1211893&zoom=10&crosshair=marker

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: WG: articule Bulle-Broc en voie normale

Toma Bacic
 

> Le Locle - Les Brenets: will be replaced by bus;

When the line will be definitely closed?
Also, the announced battery busses will run along the railway alignment transformed into bus only road, or on the normal road?

regards
toma


SBB Zentralbahn today

Tim May
 

For those in the Luzern area today (18.06.22) 101 963 is on 15:10 Luzern-Engelberg


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.06.2022 um 13:46 schrieb Vincent LE BIHAN:
passengers have sometimes to change trains at the border.
Passengers have mostly to change at the border.

When I last traveled the line, I came up to Vallorcine in a French EMU and changed to a Swiss EMU to continue to Chamonix...
TMR is responsible for the maintenance of all rack equipped EMUs and thus they must regularly come to Vernayaz.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Vincent LE BIHAN
 

SNCF is the owner of the superstructure and, for the moment, operator of the line.  The region Rhône-Alpes buys the rolling stock and designates the operator: there may a change in the near future and another company become operator in place of the SNCF.
To run in Switzerland, the rolling stock has to be rack-equipped: some french trainsets are not and, thus, passengers have sometimes to change trains at the border.


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Le ven. 17 juin 2022 à 13:02, Toma Bacic <toma.bacic@...> a écrit :
Since my knowledge of the Martigny - Châtelard - Vallorcine - Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet line is almost non-existent, I have additional questions:
- TMR is the operator and rolling stock owner on the Swiss, and SNCF on the French side, right?
- Swiss side operations (and the new rolling stock) are subsidied by Valais canton and confederation?
- the new Stadler trains will have pantographs and third rail shoes, right?
- are there interoperability on the line - are French trainsets run over the Swiss part of the line and vice versa?

Thank you and regards
toma


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Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Toma Bacic
 

Since my knowledge of the Martigny - Châtelard - Vallorcine - Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet line is almost non-existent, I have additional questions:
- TMR is the operator and rolling stock owner on the Swiss, and SNCF on the French side, right?
- Swiss side operations (and the new rolling stock) are subsidied by Valais canton and confederation?
- the new Stadler trains will have pantographs and third rail shoes, right?
- are there interoperability on the line - are French trainsets run over the Swiss part of the line and vice versa?

Thank you and regards
toma


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Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.06.2022 um 14:09 schrieb Toma Bacic:
The new trains are jointly financed by SNCF, Transports de Martigny et Régions and the Valais canton?
No, the article you linked gives the answer:
3 trains are financed by TMR and 4 trains by région Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes

The yearly costs including costs of rolling stock on Swiss territory are cofinanced by the canton of Valais (37%) and the Confederation (63%), as far as earnings are not sufficient.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Toma Bacic
 

The new trains are jointly financed by SNCF, Transports de Martigny et Régions and the Valais canton?

regards
toma


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.06.2022 um 09:58 schrieb Toma Bacic:
7 new Stadler trainsets class Z890
Please note that there will only be 4 Z890, plus 3 Beh 4/8. They will replace
BDeh 4/8 1-3 (Z 801/02-805/06) and 21-22 (821/22-823/24) plus the remaining BDeh 4/4.

They will not replace Z851-56 (1861/851/1862 etc.) introduced 2006-08
and Beh 4/8 71-72, introduced 2012.

The six Z850 are not rack-equipped and will maintain St-Gervais - Chamonix services.

Note: In France each part of an EMU gets its own number, in Switzerland there is a number for the whole trainset. NVR numbers are:

94 87 0000 801-4 + 94 87 0000 802-2
94 87 0000 803-0 + 94 87 0000 804-8
94 87 0000 805-5 + 94 87 0000 806-3
90 85 838 0821-1
90 85 838 0822-9

94 87 0000 851-9+94 87 0001 851-8+94 87 0001 852-6
94 87 0000 852-7+94 87 0001 853-4+94 87 0001 854-2
94 87 0000 853-5+94 87 0001 855-9+94 87 0001 856-7
94 87 0000 854-3+94 87 0001 857-5+94 87 0001 858-3
94 87 0000 855-0+94 87 0001 859-1+94 87 0001 860-9
94 87 0000 856-8+94 87 0001 861-7+94 87 0001 862-5

90 85 838 0871-6
90 85 838 0872-4

Markus


Re: new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express

Vincent LE BIHAN
 

As these trainsets are described as "rack equipped", they will obviously run all the way to Martigny. 

Vincent 🇺🇦

Le jeu. 16 juin 2022 à 10:29, Toma Bacic <toma.bacic@...> a écrit :
7 new Stadler trainsets class Z890

The new trains will be employed between Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet and Vallorcine, or all the way to Martigny?

regards
toma

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