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Re: VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Kidger Paul <paulkidger@...> wrote:


--- Alan Mitchell <alanmitchell58@...> wrote:

When in Zurich in July, I photographed VBZ Cargo
1922 hauling a goods
trailer through the streets :-
The running gear on the trailer is interesting Is it a
Peckham or a Brill truck? I believe that Amsterdam
have tried or maybe even still use such a system for
deliveries in the city centre. I wonder how the
stopping time needed for deliveries fits in with the
running of the conventional tram service.
In Zürich, the service stops on tracks that are not normally used by
passenger services, such as intermediate turning loops, the second
loops at terminii and the track fans of depots. This way conflicts
with passenger services are kept to a minimum.

Amsterdam is planning something similar, only that many of these
tracks will have to be purpose-built.

The only track that was purpose built in Zürich for the freight tram
is the spur line from Werdhölzli terminus into the adjoining
recycling yard.

Andrew


Re: VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Mitchell" <alanmitchell58@...>
wrote:

When in Zurich in July, I photographed VBZ Cargo 1922 hauling a goods
trailer through the streets :-

http://alanmitchell.fotopic.net/p45843742.html

http://alanmitchell.fotopic.net/p45843743.html

Are these freight movements a common occurence ?
yes, about 18 return-trips a month. The timetable can be downloaded
from www.erz.ch


Re: [SBB] Re 4/4 II 11141 withdrawn

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Heléna Moretti <helena.moretti@...>
wrote:


Gordon, you have hit the proverbial nail... there are no countries
I know that are not going the way of multiple units. I hate the trend
but it is set to get worse, RhB are going for Motor Units, SOB are
going for Flirts, even the BLS who bucked the trend with their loco-
hauled sets are ordering more units for the Lotschberg. From what I
gather, no major overhauls are to be carried out on any series 1
Re4/4" (11108-11155) with the SBB-P fleet (currently 94 after 11141)
being reduced to 60 by this process over the next 3 years. I expect
quite a few to get "parked up" when the new timetable commences.
There certainly is a trend, but it's not absolute.

In Switzerland, the Re460/465 locomotives are likely to remain in
passenger service for a long time still, even if any significant new
locomotive orders are unlikely.

In Germany, recent deliveries of new intercity passenger locomotives,
and also locomotives and stock for suburban trains, would also
contradict the notion that loco-hauled passenger trains are a dying
breed.

In Austria, the same can be said of the Taurus.

In Spain, new high-speed diesel locomotives are currently being
delivered for the secondary express lines. I think the type is a
derivative of the British class 67, but with a more appealing design
(okay, if you ignore the livery).

There are countries that are heading for an all multiple-unit future,
such as the UK or the Netherlands, but at the moment these are still
more the exception than the rule.

Andrew


Re: Swiss Rail photos

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Alexander" <ian.alexander1@...>
wrote:

I can confirm it is Geneva - we were staying in Monteux and visited
Geneva. If I remember correctly this is the service for Barcelona.
Sorry, should have clarified that the Catalan Talgo EC70/71 was indeed
Genève - Barcelona and v.v. and it is standing in Platform 7 at Genève
Cornavin.

BTW Around 5pm in the evening used to be the best time at Genève in the
old days, when you could see French, Swiss, Spanish and German rolling
stock alongside each other in the station, for a period of quite a few
years the Talgo from Barcelona met the Rheingold from Hook of Holland,
so two 'ends' of Europe met each other in the middle!


Re: Swiss Rail photos

Ian Alexander <ian.alexander1@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:

On 10/18/07, gordonwis <gordonwis@...> wrote:

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@> wrote:
That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues
me. What train service was this? And I didn't know that the
SNCF had once locomotives that ran in Switzerland.
Clearly they did not.

The train is the Catalan Talgo EC70/71 and it is standing in
Platform 7 at Genève Cornavin
In this case the picture's label is wrong then.
The description doesn't mention Montreux - I've added Geneva to it
now - the jpg file name contains "Montreux"


Re: Swiss Rail photos

Ian Alexander <ian.alexander1@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Pascal" <p.j@...> wrote:

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@> wrote:
That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues me.
Would it help you if it's Geneva?
I can confirm it is Geneva - we were staying in Monteux and visited
Geneva. If I remember correctly this is the service for Barcelona.


Re: Swiss Rail photos

Krist van Besien
 

On 10/18/07, gordonwis <gordonwis@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:
> That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues me. What
> train service was this? And I didn't know that the SNCF had once
> locomotives that ran in Switzerland.
>

Clearly they did not.

The train is the Catalan Talgo EC70/71 and it is standing in Platform 7
at Genève Cornavin
In this case the picture's label is wrong then.

Krist




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Re: Swiss Rail photos

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:
That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues me. What
train service was this? And I didn't know that the SNCF had once
locomotives that ran in Switzerland.
Clearly they did not.

The train is the Catalan Talgo EC70/71 and it is standing in Platform 7
at Genève Cornavin


Re: Swiss Rail photos

pascal_joris
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Krist van Besien"
<krist.vanbesien@...> wrote:
That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues me.
Would it help you if it's Geneva?


Re: Swiss Rail photos

Krist van Besien
 

On 10/17/07, Ian Alexander <ian.alexander1@btinternet.com> wrote:

Should have included the link:
http://www.iansswisstrainphotos.fotopic.net/
That picture of a Talgo in Montreux you took in 88 intrigues me. What
train service was this? And I didn't know that the SNCF had once
locomotives that ran in Switzerland.

Krist

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Swiss Rail photos

Ian Alexander <ian.alexander1@...>
 

Doh!

Should have included the link:
http://www.iansswisstrainphotos.fotopic.net/

Sorry!


Swiss Rail Photos September 2007

Ian Alexander <ian.alexander1@...>
 

Hello all,

I have updated my fotopic site with photos from our stay in Luzern this
year and these will includesome from the Erstfeld and Biasca days. As
always comments wecome. Haven't had time to add any individual notes
yet but hopefully they will all be recognisable.


Re: Ae 610 identification

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "gordonwis" <gordonwis@...> wrote:

Presumably ex 11500 , therefore name is Landquart

and is Ae 610 the correct designation?
Yes
Great, thank you. Now properly captioned!

Fionnbarr
www.fionnbarr.com


Re: Ae 610 identification

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Fionnbarr Kennedy" <mail@...> wrote:

Hi all can anyone tell me the name of this loco please?
Presumably ex 11500 , therefore name is Landquart

and is Ae 610 the correct designation?
Yes


Ae 610 identification

Fionnbarr Kennedy
 

Hi all
can anyone tell me the name of this loco please?

<http://www.fionnbarr.com/gallery2/v/Rail/Swiss/Swiss-Motive-
Power/Ae610500Erstfeld.jpg.html>

and is Ae 610 the correct designation?

thank you

Fionnbarr
www.fionnbarr.com


Re: [SBB] Re 4/4 II 11141 withdrawn

bob gillis <robertgillis@...>
 

Hel�na Moretti wrote:
Gordon, you have hit the proverbial nail... there are no countries I know that are not going the way of multiple units. I hate the trend but it is set to get worse,
In the USA there are only two electric heavy rail systems, the AMTRAK,
New Jersey Transit, SEPTA and Connecticut Department of Transportation
in the northeast and the METRA in Chicago., originally the Illinois Central.

AMTRAK for its new high speed Acela trains went with loco hauled
equipment and NJT has given up MU for new equipment. NJT operates on 11
KV 25 Hz and 25 KV, 60 Hz and many trains have to switch on th fly. The
existing MU cars can run on either voltage but require a non-moving
conversion from one to the other.

The locomotives can changeover on the fly. The cost of the non-powered
cars is a lot less and the locos have enough HP to maintain schedules.

SEPTA also has some electric locos but I do not know if they are dual voltage.

Th METRA system is very small compared to the AMTRAK et al system.

bob gillis


Re: VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...>
 

Kidger Paul wrote:
The running gear on the trailer is interesting Is it a
Peckham or a Brill truck?
It is a Peckham-type truck, built 1898-1901 by SWS Schlieren
as motors 57-84. 1925-29 they were rebuilt to coaches with
new underframes. The Peckham trucks were reused for
service vehicles, among them the transport wagons 1001-07,
later 2001-07 and finally 1981-87.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

Kidger Paul
 

--- Alan Mitchell <alanmitchell58@aol.com> wrote:

When in Zurich in July, I photographed VBZ Cargo
1922 hauling a goods
trailer through the streets :-
The running gear on the trailer is interesting Is it a
Peckham or a Brill truck? I believe that Amsterdam
have tried or maybe even still use such a system for
deliveries in the city centre. I wonder how the
stopping time needed for deliveries fits in with the
running of the conventional tram service.
I know that Basel have various 'utility' trams such as
a Bar car which is parked at the edge of events when
the city centre is closed.

Paul kidger


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Re: VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

Max Wyss
 

When in Zurich in July, I photographed VBZ Cargo 1922 hauling a goods
trailer through the streets :-

Are these freight movements a common occurence ?
Absolutely. The trailer actually carries a container which belongs to
the waste management agency of the City of Zürich. Such containers are used to transport garbage which goes beyond the normal "household
garbage" (such as metal pieces, ceramic and glass stuff, etc.).

The train you photographed goes to terminal stations with an extra
loop track, and people can carry their stuff to these stops and
dispose them. The schedule is published here:

http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/internet/erz/
home.ParagraphContainerList.ParagraphAdditionalInfo.ParagraphList.
0015.File.pdf/Cargo-und_E-Tram_Kalender_def_Juni.pdf

that is one looooong link.

HTH

Max.


VBZ Cargo tram and trailer

amitchell107
 

When in Zurich in July, I photographed VBZ Cargo 1922 hauling a goods
trailer through the streets :-

http://alanmitchell.fotopic.net/p45843742.html

http://alanmitchell.fotopic.net/p45843743.html

Are these freight movements a common occurence ?


Alan.

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