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Re: Zuich tram recommendations

Andrew Moglestue
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, rmtomasko@... wrote:

If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the Zurich
trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting scenery and
neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?

I was in Vienna and Budapest a few weeks ago and found riding tram lines was
a great way to get a feel for a city and how it's laid-out, and like to do the
same in Zurich.

Thanks,

Bob Tomasko

Hi,

As far as scenery is concerned there is no beating the route number 6 to Zoo. catch this at
Hauptbahnhof and ride it all the way to Zoo (terminus). The route is impressive in terms of
some of the gradients and curves it encounters, but also in terms of the occasional
stunning view of Zurich lying far below, the lake etc.

I would say, even if you have no time for anything else, don't miss the 6.

Andrew


Re: PTT locomotives

Richard Bowen
 

The Schwyz one in September seems to be PTT 7.

That is SLM, BBC 3188 1926 from Dänikon.

It went to Swisstrain in 1999 at their Bodio store.

That in its turn is being cleared out.

The locomotive behind it will surely be one of the Mittelthurgaubahn Re 416 xxx of Swisstrain.

And both probably on their way to a new home.

Richard A. Bowen


Re: Zuich tram recommendations

Bill Bolton
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:25:25 EST, Bob Tomasko wrote:

If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the Zurich
trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting scenery and
neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?
Just about anywhere on the Zurich system is "interesting"!

Take the tram that runs up to the Zoo, line 6, and alight at Kirche
Fluntern on the return journey, where you can watch the trams on the
line 5 turning on the loop, and Trolleybus route 33 crossing.

Continue down the hill on line 5 or 6 to Bellevue, where 7 routes
cross... its a hive of tramway activity! Its a short-block walk from
there to the Forchbahn terminus at Stadelhofen.

Milchbuck is another good location for tram watching. Four routes
(7,9,10,14) operate through the stop which has junctions at either
end, including the entrance to the subway section.

Cheers,

Bill

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Re: Zuich tram recommendations

Adrian Senn
 

A map of all lines can you find here

http://www.vbz.ch/vbz_opencms/opencms/vbz/deutsch/Fahrplan/Liniennetz/images/linien_zuerich_544.html

You have also the possibility the download a A3 PDF File.

And do not forget the Polybahn, Rigiblickbahn (both Cablecars) and the Dolderbahn (Cograil)

You can ride with the Tram 6 to the final station Zoo, take the bus 39 to the station Rigiblick, and then down to the station Seilbahn Rigiblick.

Adrian


Re: Zuich tram recommendations

Krist van Besien
 

On Dec 1, 2007 4:43 AM, csipromo <csipromo@yahoo.com> wrote:






--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, rmtomasko@... wrote:
>
> If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the
Zurich
> trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting
scenery and
> neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?
>
> I was in Vienna and Budapest a few weeks ago and found riding tram
lines was
> a great way to get a feel for a city and how it's laid-out, and
like to do the
> same in Zurich.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Tomasko

Hello Bob

There are a few interesting tram routes in Zuerich. The first that I
would recommend is the run along Bahnhofstrasse from the station to
the lake. You can then go to Zentral and take the tram along the
Limmat back to the station.
There are a few routes going up the hills on the north side (Rami
Strasse or Schaffhauser Strasse) as well as lines going east and west.
You can check out the map at www.zvv.ch and the map of Zuerich at
www.map.search.ch

The one to keep in mind is tram 14 from the Station to Bahnhof
Wiedikon. Get off there and walk south on the left side of the street
a few feet to Birmensdorfer Strasse 101, the home of Roundhouse Model
Shop.
Well worth the detour.

There is also City Tours available on trams that will take you all
over the route. The Swiss Holiday Pass is available online and is
good for travel on the SBB and ZVV networks, including the trams,
buses and s-bahn.

Regards

Mike C



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Re: Zuich tram recommendations

Krist van Besien
 

On Dec 1, 2007 3:25 AM, <rmtomasko@aol.com> wrote:

If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the Zurich
trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting scenery and
neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?
The Schwamendinger tunnel with left hand operation is an interesting
"tram operation", line 7 and 9 run through there.

Krist

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Re: Zuich tram recommendations

csipromo
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, rmtomasko@... wrote:

If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the
Zurich
trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting
scenery and
neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?

I was in Vienna and Budapest a few weeks ago and found riding tram
lines was
a great way to get a feel for a city and how it's laid-out, and
like to do the
same in Zurich.

Thanks,

Bob Tomasko
Hello Bob

There are a few interesting tram routes in Zuerich. The first that I
would recommend is the run along Bahnhofstrasse from the station to
the lake. You can then go to Zentral and take the tram along the
Limmat back to the station.
There are a few routes going up the hills on the north side (Rami
Strasse or Schaffhauser Strasse) as well as lines going east and west.
You can check out the map at www.zvv.ch and the map of Zuerich at
www.map.search.ch

The one to keep in mind is tram 14 from the Station to Bahnhof
Wiedikon. Get off there and walk south on the left side of the street
a few feet to Birmensdorfer Strasse 101, the home of Roundhouse Model
Shop.
Well worth the detour.

There is also City Tours available on trams that will take you all
over the route. The Swiss Holiday Pass is available online and is
good for travel on the SBB and ZVV networks, including the trams,
buses and s-bahn.

Regards

Mike C


Re: PTT locomotives

Peter Adam <pittadam699@...>
 

At 00:02 01/12/07 +0100, Markus wrote:
Of the 5 modern Ee 3/3, three stand idle in Bern (9, 11, 14). I don't know, where 8 and 10 now are.
There seems to be one in Schwyz. Which one is it?

<http://www.bahnbilder.de/name/einzelbild/number/146603/kategorie/Schweiz~E-Loks~Ee+3+3.html>


Re: PTT locomotives

Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...>
 

Brian Hemming wrote:
Can anybody help with information regarding the current situation of
the various shunting locomotives nrs. 3 to 14 that were owned by the
PTT?
The older ones are all gone for some years now. Of the 5 modern
Ee 3/3, three stand idle in Bern (9, 11, 14). I don't know, where
8 and 10 now are.

Markus, G�rbetal


Zuich tram recommendations

Bob Tomasko
 

If someone (me) had about a half day later in December to ride the Zurich
trams .. which lines would you recommend for either interesting scenery and
neighborhoods, or interesting tram operations?

I was in Vienna and Budapest a few weeks ago and found riding tram lines was
a great way to get a feel for a city and how it's laid-out, and like to do the
same in Zurich.

Thanks,

Bob Tomasko


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PTT locomotives

Brian Hemming
 

Can anybody help with information regarding the current situation of
the various shunting locomotives nrs. 3 to 14 that were owned by the
PTT?

Brian


Re: EWS in Switzerland?

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Moglestue" <amogles@...>
wrote:

I came across the following press release on the EWS website:
Seeing that EWS/ECR will be operating in Switzerland (or at least in
transit through Switzerland), will we be seeing ECR locomotives
hauling these trains or will another operator do that or provide
the
motive power?

Andrew
Sorry, but IMHO I think the press release is an excellent example of
hyperbolic marketing puff & wind.

Already some of the UK rail magazines have digested this news for
what it actuially is - ie a repositioning/revision/enhancement of
what already takes place. IMHO EWS diesels will not travel further
than Muttenz as now. I think the UK mags are close to correct when
they say that existing traction arrangements will continue on some
routes - ie some EWS freight in Switzerland is actually hauled by
various electric locos, including SBB.

.


Re: Zürich's Tram West and Sankt Gallen trolleybuses

Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...>
 

Krist van Besien wrote:
Guerbetaler wrote:

Also Bern's Tram West goes on. Last week the first rails were
laid.
Where?
Sorry, don't have the "Bund" article (with photo) at hand, but it
was somewhere around Westside (Br�nnen) where a new road
is being built.


Re: EWS in Switzerland?

John Beaulieu <beaulieu@...>
 

Andrew Moglestue wrote:
I came across the following press release on the EWS website:
Revolution in Channel Tunnel rail freight
Thursday 22 November 2007 English Welsh & Scottish Railway Holdings Limited (EWS) today announces one of the biggest revolutions in cross-border rail freight which will facilitate a period of sustainable long-term growth in Channel Tunnel rail freight volumes. A new network of European intermodal rail freight services, operated by Euro Cargo Rail, will be launched from January 2008 connecting key European hubs with Britain.
<snip to relevant part>
Milan to Manchester five times per week from March 2008
<snipped>

Seeing that EWS/ECR will be operating in Switzerland (or at least in transit through Switzerland), will we be seeing ECR locomotives hauling these trains or will another operator do that or provide the motive power?
Andrew
ECR and EW&S are now subsidiaries of DB. Depending on route and power I would expect that ECR power would just enter Switzerland where DB Br185s or BLS power would take over. Already ECR/EWS Class 66s have been seen in Muttenz Yd. in Basel, although this traffic originated in France. I expect the Transfesa traffic will migrate first.

John Beaulieu


EWS in Switzerland?

Andrew Moglestue
 

I came across the following press release on the EWS website:

Revolution in Channel Tunnel rail freight
Thursday 22 November 2007

English Welsh & Scottish Railway Holdings Limited (EWS) today
announces one of the biggest revolutions in cross-border rail freight
which will facilitate a period of sustainable long-term growth in
Channel Tunnel rail freight volumes.

A new network of European intermodal rail freight services, operated
by Euro Cargo Rail, will be launched from January 2008 connecting key
European hubs with Britain.

The new intermodal services take advantage of the Channel
Tunnel "open access" regime announced in October. For the first time
Euro Cargo Rail will take full accountability for reliable,
integrated rail services with improved transit times and a reduction
in operating complexity.

During 2008, services will be rolled out to connect Belgium, Germany,
Italy, France, Spain and Switzerland with the key UK economic regions
of the Midlands, North West England and Scotland.

The initial launch plan includes:



Brussels to Daventry three times per week from January 2008

Duisburg to Manchester six times per week from February 2008

Milan to Manchester five times per week from March 2008

The intermodal services will offer customers the benefits of lower
costs, security, reliability, capacity and safety. Importantly, they
will also provide customers with significant reductions in CO2
emissions compared with road haulage, and will reduce the number of
foreign registered lorries travelling on UK roads.

EWS's plans will revitalise Channel Tunnel intermodal rail freight
and allow for significant modal shift from road to rail. These new
services will double Channel Tunnel rail freight volumes to over two
million tonnes per annum by the end of 2008.

David Kerr, Commercial Director for EWS, said: "During this year we
have completed extensive research into potential Channel Tunnel
intermodal rail freight services. There are substantial volumes of
goods that can be moved by rail, which are currently moved by road
and short sea ferries. This new capability will offer manufacturers,
retailers and transport operators the ability to bypass UK port
congestion and remove 1000 lorries a week from key UK motorway
congestion points on the M25, M1, M62 and M6."

Mr Kerr continued: "These services will be attractive as they provide
the cost effectiveness, reliability, capacity and security the market
demands. We are providing customers across Europe with a revitalised
rail option that can truly challenge alternative modes and deliver
the benefits that come from an integrated rail freight network."

All new services through the Channel Tunnel will be marketed and
operated under the Euro Cargo Rail banner, the identity of EWS's
successful European subsidiary company.

-----

Seeing that EWS/ECR will be operating in Switzerland (or at least in
transit through Switzerland), will we be seeing ECR locomotives
hauling these trains or will another operator do that or provide the
motive power?

Andrew


Re: Zürich's Tram West and Sankt Gallen trolleybuses

Krist van Besien
 

On Nov 29, 2007 12:07 AM, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@freesurf.ch> wrote:

Also Bern's Tram West goes on. Last week the first rails were
laid.
Where?

Krist


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Re: Zürich's Tram West and Sankt Gallen trolleybuses

Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...>
 

Also Bern's Tram West goes on. Last week the first rails were
laid. And SVB Bernmobil has ordered 21 new 7-element
Be 6/8 Combinos! Furthermore, 8 out of 15 existing Combinos
are upgraded from 5 to 7 elements.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Zürich's Tram West and Sankt Gallen trolleybuses

gordonwis
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Moglestue" <amogles@...>
wrote:

I don't know if it is of interest, but for those who don't follow day
to day Swiss news, there have been some noteworthy developments.
Yes its of interest!

Following Swiss transport news is not that easy*, especially since the
changes to Bahnonline.ch

(* except when I'm chez-nous a Geneve where I get to see copies of Tram)


Zürich's Tram West and Sankt Gallen trolleybuses

Andrew Moglestue
 

I don't know if it is of interest, but for those who don't follow day
to day Swiss news, there have been some noteworthy developments.

Sunday's Zürich cantonal referendum on Tram Zürich West was approved by
196,229 votes to 161,995 (69.8%). This majority is even clearer than
that of July's city referendum (69.3%). This means that all the money
required to construct the line is now approved. There are still some
objectors whose cases have not been settled but they are no longer able
to stop the project. Construction will begin in Summer 2008 after the
UEFA football chmapionshios, for a 2011 opening.

The St. Gallen referendum on the renewal of the trolleybus fleet was
acepted by 20,269 votes to 2,380, efectively securing the survival of
the system. Following this, VBSG placed an order with Hess for 24
trolleybuses, seven of which are double articulated and the rest single-
articulated.

Andrew


460 query

walberswick05
 

Hello
I see that I was hauled by 460109 on the 1812 from Zurich to Chur on 12
June this year. This was the only time I saw it in 2 weeks of
travelling then and did not see it in 2 weeks in September either. In
those 2 visits I did manage to see every 460
hth
kind regards
David Aldis

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