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Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

4029 is in passenger service, 4030 has been delivered to Zürich


Re: Zürich HB Question

csipromo
 

It could be possible to adapt the Sihltalbahn tracks in the Station for a new subterranean line that could connect to the lines to Bern and Basel and to the line leading to Thalwil (Zürichsee and Zug/Luzern or Arth-Goldau/Gotthard). Due to the layout of the city, an underground line parallel to the main station would likely have to tunnel under the lake to reach the south shore of the lake and the Thalwil line.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Zürich HB Question

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.08.2022 um 11:09 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
One of the main arguments for building the HB-Oerlikon tunnel was to provide additional capacity, 
That's right. There had been a plan to extend the Wipkinger Bridge, reusing the track that led to Letten. Against this project there was a widely supported opposition (because of the additional noise produced) and as an alternative the HB-Oerlikon was brought in. Quite quickly this idea was taken up and pushed to realization.

IIRC there had been a second tunnel in the original S-Bahn plans which was then "postponed". It wasn't exactly like HB-Oerlikon but it also took traffic from Thalwil. This traffic (S2, S8) is now in the underground.

Markus


Re: Zürich HB Question

Andrew Moglestue
 

Not necessarily.

A train coming from Zug or Sargans for example can easily enter the underground part of the station and continue to Oerlikon, Winterthur etc without any change in direction.

There is no need for any additional tunnel construction to make that possible.

The discussion surrounding the Zürichbergtunnel (that is the HB - Stadelhofen - Stettbach tunnel) were before my time and I'm not entirely sure what the main arguments and motivation were, but my understanding is there was indeed a motivation to provide shorter jouney times and eliminate the capacity-constrained line via Letten. In fact this tunnel turned into a sort of catalyst that accelerated the development of the entire S-Bahn system in a way that would probably not otherwise have occurred.

One of the main arguments for building the HB-Oerlikon tunnel was to provide additional capacity, both in terms of platforms and in terms of train paths. Avoiding the change of direction on the surface tracks was in my recollection very much a secondary argument in the discussions at the time, and not one that would in itself have justified the huge costs. The transition from loco hauled trains to push-pull formations and fixed consists over the last 20 years or so has very much reduced the operational penalty of changing direction. These days the reversal is in most cases a very slick and efficient operation.

I don't think this will change for the forseeable future.


Zürich HB Question

csipromo
 

Zürich HB is a Kopfbahnhof. Since the construction of the Museumstrasse Underground Station, trains can now run straight through to Stadelhofen and the Lowenstrasse addition now allows straight through traffic to Oerlikon and Winterthur.

Trains coming and going on the Zurichsee line (Thalwil/Pfäffikon SZ/Chur) and the Zimmerberg line to Luzern/Zug/Arth Goldau/Gotthard still have to change directions in the main station hall before continuing on their way.

Was there (or is there) any discussion of adding an underground station which would allow trains to directly continue east on the south shore of the Zürichsee?

Regards

Mike C


Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Martin Baumann
 

Australia's Queensland Railway ran a 1067mm EMU at 210 km/h. Although a deliberate attempt at a speed record it was a service yrain with passengers!


Re: DFB to use HGm 4/4 62 this season!

Thomas
 

Because of the high fire risk, all trains between Gletsch and Oberwald have been hauled by HGm 4/4 62 for some time now. This means between 9 and 10 journeys par day, including loco only transfers. You can therefore witness the diesel with the red Wanderexpress, red regular steam trains, the blue Oberwald steam trains and solo.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Thomas
 

Not World, but Europe for the previous record. The speed record on meter gauge in Africa at a little over 160 km/h has been held since 26.11.1976 by a (diesel) ZE 200 "Gazelle" of the RAN between Dimbokro and Bouaké. And if you add just 67mm to the meter, the South African 6E1 E1525 made 245 km/h on 31.10.1978 between Westonaria and Midway.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Mick Sasse
 

As the article says, a world record for Europe - I'm less sure about worldwide. For years trains on the metre-gauge mainlines in Tunisia have run 130-140km/h in regular service, so it would not surprise me if they had topped 160 too, such as with those lightweight DMUs they now have.


Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Martin Baumann
 

I believed a false claim that "the newest Capricorn unit was used" This would have been 3142 but obviously not the case


Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Toma Bacic
 




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Re: Metre Gauge speed record.

Martin Baumann
 

Sorry, unit 3142


Metre Gauge speed record.

Martin Baumann
 

Not widely publicised (I only read of it today for instance) is that the RhB have broken the world record speed for metre gauge that they already held. Previously 145 km/h with unit 3502 on 09.07.2022 unit 3143 reached 163 km/h (101.3 mph) in the Vereina tunnel


Re: Current Swiss rail construction projects

Martin Baumann
 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 07:50 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


12.2022 SBB rebuilt Wylerfeld Junction including diveunder 450/290
This project will be completed ahead of schedule. It will be handed over for testing on 29.08.2022 with regular use from 12.09


Re: RhB : Arosa lok diagram Sat 13th

gordonwis
 

Good for photters - large logo Glacier Express livery 'off grid' on non stammnetz territory!


RhB : Arosa lok diagram Sat 13th

David Prior
 

Pleasantly surprised to see 623 allocated tomorrow’s seasonal REs

1431 10:37 Chur-Arosa
1454 16:18 Arosa-Chur

Pre-allocated the same for Sunday.

Hope it’s useful to somebody whilst I head in the opposite direction on holiday (unfortunately).


Re: RhB Stammnetzpendelzüge Be 4/4

Toma Bacic
 

The ABDt 1711 will be preserved by the company Schutz Gartenbau und Landschaftsbau and will be preserve on the company premises in Filisur. regards toma


Re: RhB Stammnetzpendelzüge Be 4/4

Martin Baumann
 

514 today went for preservation at the museum in Bergün. The trailers have gone for scrap


Re: Zürich HB webcam

Clive Dean
 

Great, thanks for sharing. 


Zürich HB webcam

Martin Baumann
 

Unsure if this is permanent

https://youtu.be/kHwmzef842g

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