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Re: SBB Line blocked near Ziegelbrücke 26.07.22 @ 09.38am

davey
 

Line reopened with EC164 heading in right direction towards Graz, about 75 mins down


SBB Line blocked near Ziegelbrücke 26.07.22 @ 09.38am

davey
 

My interpretation is a fatality in the line, line blocked for an unknown duration

EC163 with 11197+11157 turning round at Lachen (SZ) and heading back to Zürich


Re: BLS Re 4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.07.2022 um 09:08 schrieb Clive Dean:
What does a TK involve?
I don't know exactly. But the abbreviation stays for "Technische Kontrolle" while an R1 is a "Revision". This means that components are only controlled (if they will do for another year) instead of overhauled.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Last SBB owned Bm 6/6 withdrawn

Martin Baumann
 

18505 is no longer part of the SBB-H collection. On July 13.07.2022 it was sold to OeBB who reportedly intend to use it on trains connected with the rebuilding of the Gotthard road tunnel


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

4029 has been delivered to Zürich

4026 is being used for test purposes at Alstom Bautzen

4027 4028 4030 are near completion in Vienna


Re: Dual-gauge

Guerbetaler
 

For the record:
(Stations in brackets no longer have the gauges indicated. No mention of funiculars or non-public railways. And not considering city-tramways)

Dual gauge lines in Switzerland
  • Chur - Domat/Ems (RhB)
  • Luzern - Horw (zb)
  • Niederbipp - Oberbipp (ASm)
  • Zollikofen - Worblaufen - Dienststation BKW (- Deisswil) (RBS)
  • (Wohlen - Bremgarten West) (AVA)
  • (Liestal - Altmarkt) (SCB/WB)

Railway stations with three different gauges

  • Montreux
  • (Capolago-Riva San Vitale)

Railway stations with two different gauges

  • Aarau‎
  • Aigle
  • Alpnachstad
  • Bern‎
  • Bex‎
  • (Biasca)
  • Biel/Bienne
  • Brienz
  • Brig
  • (Brunnen)
  • Bulle‎
  • Capolago-Riva San Vitale‎
  • (Castione-Arbedo)
  • Chur‎ (see above)
  • Dietikon‎
  • Frauenfeld‎
  • Glovelier‎
  • Gossau SG
  • Grindelwald
  • Göschenen‎
  • Herisau
  • Interlaken Ost‎
  • La Chaux-de-Fonds‎
  • Landquart‎
  • Lauterbrunnen‎
  • Le Locle‎
  • (Leuk)
  • Liestal‎
  • Locarno‎
  • Lugano‎
  • Luzern‎ (see above)
  • Martigny‎
  • Monthey‎
  • Morges‎
  • Niederbipp (see above)
  • Nyon‎
  • Oensingen
  • Palézieux‎
  • Rheineck
  • Saignelégier‎
  • (Schwanden)
  • Solothurn‎
  • St. Gallen‎
  • Suhr‎
  • Tavannes‎
  • Vevey‎
  • Visp‎
  • Weinfelden‎
  • Wil SG‎
  • Wilderswil‎
  • Wohlen
  • Yverdon-les-Bains‎
  • Zollikofen‎ (see above)
  • Zweisimmen‎
  • Zürich Stadelhofen‎
  • (Zürich Tiefenbrunnen)
  • (and many more narrow gauge railways closed before 1966)



SBB Historic special train Zürich-Heiden 17.09.2022

Martin Baumann
 


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

2003 and 2051 went for scrap today. 2051 had been out of service since May with collision damage


Re: Dual gauge

Mick Sasse
 

"For me, “dual gauge” and “metre gauge” are compound adjectives here and thus require hyphens. I would put your sentence as follows:..."
Definitely agreed! And the distinction here is not between "twin-gauge" and "dual-gauge": it's between "track" and "station", I suggest. A dual-gauge station might or might not have dual-gauge tracks as opposed to separate single-gauge platforms / tracks.

And I should know: my mum grew up in Gladstone, South Australia, a place which pretty much only exists because three gauges used to meet there!


Re: Dual gauge

Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.07.2022 um 20:25 schrieb John Jesson:
Dual gauge track means that trains of two different gauges can run over 
that section. It does not matter whether there are 3 rails (as in Chur - 
Domat-Ems) or 4 rails (as at a gauge-changing facility). The term still 
applies if, on a 3-rail section, the "common" rail changes from one side 
to the other (look at the Tillig catalogue for what this looks like).
Luzern - Horw is three-rail in the first part and four-rail in the second. In Kriens Mattenhof there is a change-over from three-rail to four-rail!





Re: Dual gauge

Ewan Tait
 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MieslGEL2to Looks like fully bi-directional. Cheers, Ewan


Re: Dual gauge

Toma Bacic
 

> Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track

Same as Luzern - Horw, right?


Dual gauge

glenn allen
 

> Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track

Are both lines bi-directional, or is the standard gauge bi-directional and the metre gauge tracks only signalled in one direction? Or is the dual gauge line bi-directional and the metre gauge line one way only?


Re: Dual gauge

John Jesson
 

On 21/07/2022 19:08, john_dmj wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Zweisimmen? Both twin gauge and dual gauge transfer tracks.
Yes, Zweisimmen has been mentioned.

Gauge-changing facilities are a specific case, although the term dual gauge still applies.

Dual gauge track means that trains of two different gauges can run over that section. It does not matter whether there are 3 rails (as in Chur - Domat-Ems) or 4 rails (as at a gauge-changing facility). The term still applies if, on a 3-rail section, the "common" rail changes from one side to the other (look at the Tillig catalogue for what this looks like).

I do not believe that the term "twin gauge" is correct usage.

John


Re: Dual gauge

George Raymond
 

 

  • Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track
    correct? :-)

 

For me, “dual gauge” and “metre gauge” are compound adjectives here and thus require hyphens. I would put your sentence as follows:

 

…a double-track line with one dual-gauge track and one metre-gauge track

See http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/hyphens_in_compound_adjectives.htm

George

 







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Re: Dual gauge

Andrew Moglestue
 

Concerning Chur-Domat/Ems

Isn't there, or wasn't there until quite recently something similar on part of the RBS system?


Re: Dual gauge

john_dmj
 

Has anyone mentioned Zweisimmen? Both twin gauge and dual gauge transfer tracks.

Best Regards

John

On 21/07/2022 16:44, David Prior via groups.io wrote:
On 21 Jul 2022, at 17:22, Guerbetaler via groups.io

Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track
correct? :-)
I’m pretty sure that nobody could improve on that….

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Re: Dual gauge

David Prior
 

On 21 Jul 2022, at 17:22, Guerbetaler via groups.io

Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track
correct? :-)
I’m pretty sure that nobody could improve on that….


Re: Dual gauge

Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.07.2022 um 09:25 schrieb David Prior via groups.io:
Line = a route between two points, e.g. Chur-Ems Werk a line that is laid with dual-gauge track.
Chur - Domat/Ems is a line with double track with one dual gauge track and one metre gauge track
correct? :-)

Markus


Re: Dual gauge

Guerbetaler
 

Many thanks for your answers! I will use this knowledge to improve Wikicommons categories. ;-)

Am 21.07.2022 um 01:59 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
Furthermore, when does a station become a separate entity? For example is Brig Bahnhofplatz MGB really part of Brig station?
There are different answers to this question:
  • While "Brig" and "Brig Bahnhofplatz" are distinguished in the timetable, a departure of the Appenzellerbahnen in St. Gallen will appear as "St. Gallen", track 11 or 12. Same for Bern (RBS), Visp (MGB), Chur (RhB) or Langenthal (ASm). Thus, mostly the different gauges don't make a separate entry.
  • For timetableing several stops can be taken together. The problem of the SBB app is, that it always thinks that I choose a distinctive stop. Searching a connection from "Brig" to "Fiesch" shows as first point a 7 min walk, which would be correct, if I'm arriving from Goppenstein, but not, if I start from Brig.
  • Bus and tram stops are always separated, e.g. "Brig, Bahnhofplatz", "Bern, Bahnhof" etc.
  • From an operational point of view, the parts with different gauge are always separate. You can see them on the official maps as small blue squares, e.g. "Visp MGB-bvz". If you click the details you can see that they are always classified as " Zugeordneter Betriebspunkt" (assigned operational point or something like that...) 
  • https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&E=2634203.07&N=1127022.68&zoom=11  activate "public transport stops"

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