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Introduction

Blaine Bachman <blbachman@...>
 

Hi-

I just joined the list (making it now 21 lists plus the 10 that I
manage). I'm Blaine Bachman(n) from Albuquerque, NM USA. I'm
pushing 50 and have been a model railroader and rail fan for half
that many years.

My great-great grandfather came to the US from Williberg, Canton
Aargau in the late 1800s - somewhere along the way he lost the
second 'n' in his last name.

I lived in Italy for a couple of years many years ago and my Italian
language skills are reasonably good for a person who hasn't a drop of
Italian blood. I took German in school and have made some basic use
of it on several trips to Europe, but discussions beyond "Wo ist die
Bahnhof?" go downhill rather quickly with me.

My modeling (and hence my prototype) interests are primarily Italian
with a bit of Swiss thrown in for good measure. I am modelling a
line 'replacing' the Simplon Tunnel up and over the Passo S. Giaccomo
between Switzerland and Italy (to Oberwald). I'm a bit of a rivet
counter and intend to have all of my rolling stock correctly numbered
(UIC scheme) with no duplicates.

Oh, and my period of interest is the 1970s - and I model in N scale.

-Blaine


Voralpen Express

mhardyrandall@...
 

In CH land on holiday I took copious notes on many subjects, I now
have a problem. Those notes went walkabout between Amsterdam and
Aberdeen, and I desperately need information on the Voralpen-Express
consist.
Can anybody please tell me the exact formation of the coaching stock
excluding locomotives?
Many thanks.
Malcolm


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 7/2001

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 7/2001 arrived Monday.
Besides international news, Swiss topics, are (in alphabetical order, indicating page number and cp for color photo):
  • BLS rebuilds 2 Einheitswagen 1 plus new NINA intermediate bogie into articulated low floor intermediate trailer for NPZ push-pull compositions with RBDe 565 721-742. If successful, 21 more will be built (333, cp)
  • BLS with CHF 3.1m benefit (332)
  • Bundesrat (government) proposes the parliament to adopt revised COTIF. OTIF, the international organization behind COTIF will now (besides transport and tariffs) also deal with interoperability and harmonization between national railway systems, replacing in this respect UIC which is an organization of the railway companies. This change is due to the end of state railways as part of national administrations and building them up as independent companies. (296)
  • BVB donates 20 Düwag Be 4/6 articulated tram cars (replaced by Combinos) to Belgrad. SECO will pay for refurbishment (324)
  • BVZ and FO start negociations about a merger (290)
  • BZB (Bayerische Zugspitzbahn) starts tender for a new safety system after heavy collision last year (324, cp of Bhe 4/4 309 ex BOB being transported to Stadler for repair)
  • DB 152 for tests in Switzerland (292, cp)
  • DB ICE 3, ICE-T und ICE-TD for tests and approval in Switzerland
  • DVZO and SBB celebrate centennial of ancient UeBB (Uerikon – Hinwil lifted except Bubikon - Wolfhausen, Hinwil – Bäretswil owned by SBB for goods and DVZO steam trains, Bäretswil – Bauma owned by DVZO) (297, cp)
  • Eastern Switzerland ideas and expectations (for federal subsidies) for BAHN 2000, part two (334, 1 network graphic)
  • FB Be 4/4 57 as APS special on several Zürich tram lines, also through tram tunnel to Schwamendingen, which was only made possible recently (297, cp)
  • German 01 519 on a visit in Switzerland (296, cp)
  • MOB decorates Ge 4/4 8001 for centennial (294, 2 cp)
  • MOB/BLS/SBB Brünig with common Golden Pass design on MOB Ge 4/4 8002, Bs 220, two more Bs (226-227?), BLS Re 465 008, A 826-827 and SBB He 101 967, 1 WR (422?) and one more coach (330, 4 cp, drawing of rebuilt Bs 220)
  • MThB opened new double track line Kreuzlingen – Bernrain (293, 2cp)
  • Potsdam Combino tramway (standard gauge) painted looking like Basel Combino tramway (meter gauge) as guest in Berlin for the opening event of rebuilt Swiss embassy (323, cp)
  • RAlpin (BLS/HUPAC/SBB) started piggy back service Freiburg im Breisgau – Novara for trucks 4 m high (Gothard piggy back is only for 3.80m trucks). With this offer Switzerland hopes to bring up to 300’000 trucks form road to rail (301, cp)
  • RBS tram car Be 4/8 81 with “1 to 1 ernergy” ad paint (295, cp)
  • RhB panoramic coaches A 1291-1293 and B 2501-2507, partly based on PA90, partly on GTW 2/6 principles, fitted for ac “Stammnetz” and dc “Berninabahn” and also fitted for incorporation in push-pull compositions (304, many cp and drawings)
  • RhB with reliable service over Bernina also in strong winters (298, 2cp)
  • RM Papershuttle now with more wagons, for some time pulled by Re 436 114 (ex VHB Re 4/4 III 141) that has been painted with a “Gerlafingen Stahl” (steel) ad instead of the only recently applied red paint (locomotive was green before) (292, cp)
  • SBB Ae 8/14 pulls Eurovapor “Nostalgie- Rhein-Express” special from Luzern to Locarno (296, cp)
  • SBB Brünig to reduce station staff after modernization and automatization (294)
  • SBB claims to have raised tonne-km in goods transport for Jan – Apr by 16% (290)
  • SBB ends “Cargo Combi” or “Pegasus” cooperation with others, that had planned to build a network for combined transport within Switzerland. MThB will for this reason not buy the electric Cargo-Sprinter version as initially planned (290)
  • SBB for the first time buys busses after winning a tender in Glarus [Article says, it was the first time, SBB won a tender for a bus line, which is not true. First tender won was Herzogenbuchsee – Wynigen – Burgdorf, but there ASm as SBB subcontractor ownes the busses] (295, cp)
  • SBB infrastructure management Luzern moved to station, old “Kreisdirektion II” building now leased to national insurance court (Eidgenössisches Versicherungsgericht) (294)
  • SBB long distance offers after timetable change of 10 June 2001 (326, 6cp)
  • SBB now with four tracks between Olten and Dulliken (295, cp)
  • SBB opened Vauderens tunnel, allowing bilevel cars going to Genève (291, cp)
  • SBB takes over freight traction on former GBS (now BLS) lines (294, cp)
  • SBB to buy second ICN series without dining car for Basel – Genève service, a third serie remaining an option (290)
  • SBB to invest CHF 50m for new signalbox in Thun (290)
  • SBB tunnel Zürich – Thalwil (track 3 and 4) broken through (291, cp)
  • SBB wins additional inland goods transport with Mobiler system (horizontal truck loading system for slightly adapted containers, the truck only needs to be parallel to the goods wagon), first customer being Coop, delivering food to Brig and surroundings (292, cp)
  • SBB with Cargo Express night network. It is based on already existing night transports of “Cargo Domizil” wagons and replaces “Cargo Combi” system, which was integrated in standard day transport of single wagons (see also “Mobiler” and “Cargo Combi” news!) (293)
  • VBZ presented first “Cobra” Be 5/6 3001, named “Stadt Zürich”, and also intermediate low floor part to extend Tram 2000 to Be 4/8, similar to the Basel solution (300, 4cp)
  • VVT steam trains with Expo.02 construction site visitors between Neuchâtel and Biel/Bienne (296, cp)
Markus Giger


Bellinzona - Mesocco days

mpolier@...
 

The Misox railway will be on use :

3 june, 29 july, 5, 12 & 26 august, 16 & 23 september, 7 & 14 october

On the paper I received some months ago, is written that the times
will be available since may .

Infos are available here

FM info service 079/ 262.39.79 Natel/Handy
Ente turistico Bellinzona Tf 091/825.21.31 fax 091/825.38.17

I hope this can help ...

ciao Maurizio


Re: members - Bellinzona - Mesocco

mpolier@...
 

Arne Wangen asked:
btw. does anyone on the list have any connection to the remains of
Bellinzona-Mesocco? If so, I would like to hear from you, as we are
going to make a short visit there.


I live 20 km from Bellinzona, from 6 to 8th july will be an Open Air
in S. Vittore see:

http://www.rockcircus.ch/

there will run also some spacial trains, I will probably go to the
open air, and take also some photos of the FM (ex BM/RhB)
Normally there run only few trains, during maximum 10 days each year,
the homepage of the club is not actualized. I received the program
2001 some months ago, but I forgot to put it on my homepage ... I
will try to find it (I hope).

And here is a little presentation of my person:

I was born 1969 in Locarno-Ticino-CH, since 9 years I work at the tax
office in Locarno, I play with modelrailways since I'm 2 1/2 years
old.
With 13 years I started to build RhB cars in Sm (1:60), two years ago
I started with Bemo HOm, so I can use it also on my main-layout I'm
building with my father.

My second hobby is listen and play music, I actually play flute and
percussion.

More about me and the swiss narrow gauge you can see at my homepage

http://www.polier.ch

ciao Maurizio


Re: members

Arne Wangen <arnew@...>
 

OK Markus, I can take a hint ;)

Hi group
I guess i can give a little presentation of myself after lurking on this list and BahnCH for quite a while. (This means I'm one of the "Dual Members")

I am 48 years (or something like that) old, educated as an automation and electronics engineer. After several years of unemployment, I now work with CAD and documentation in the offshore department of a electrical installation company in my native Bergen, Norway. (Guess this will tell you where c2i.net is located.)

My reason for joining the lists is my interest in the way you swiss manage to keep the flanged wheels running. Switzerland and Norway happen to share a little when it comes to topology, although you have a little head start.

What I mean is that you manage to run your railways quite effectively, while the main running of the railways here at home seems to go down the drain...

And finally, this summer I'm going to see the real thing. In 2 1/2 weeks I am going to Switzerland for two weeks, together with three fellow railbuffs. I that time we will travel through much of southern Switzerland, with the last third centered on Hotel Grischuna in Filisur.

btw. does anyone on the list have any connection to the remains of Bellinzona-Mesocco? If so, I would like to hear from you, as we are going to make a short visit there.

Best regards to all 130 co-members

Arne Wangen


members

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

SwissRail actually has 131 members (4 of which are "bouncing"). 112 members
live in 18 countries. From 19 I do not know where their home is (would be nice
to hear from them). And for another 22 I had to guess on the base of local
internet provider-addresses. 39 are member of SwissRail and BahnCH, the
Germans speaking group, at the same time.

GB 24
US 24
CH 10
NL 10
DE 8
BE 7
CA 7
AU 6
FR 3
IT 3
DK 2
SE 2
AT 1
HR 1
NO 1
CL 1
ES 1
NZ 1

Markus Giger


Riffelalp again with Tramway

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

The famous Riffelalp tramway is back! On Thursday, 21 June 2001, the smallest tramway of the world, gauge 80cm, total length 675 m, reopened. It was in service with ac 3-phase power supply from GGB 1899 to 1961, when the hotel it deserved burned down. Now the ***** hotel :-( yes, very expensive) reopened and with it the tramway. Rails were relaid but overhead wires have not been reinstalled. dc power is now coming from batteries, a power supply very common for Zermatt. The tramway is a fully concessioned railway.
Markus Giger
 


Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

Mike South <mikesouth@...>
 

I believe it was British Railways who led the way in Europe in the
1960�s when they first decided, with their Mk. 2 integral body stock, to
allow �Second� (or �Standard�) Class passengers to now gaze minutely at
window pillars instead of being distracted by passing scenery -
primarily due to arrogant accountants and designers who deemed
standardization of body shell far more important than customer
satisfaction. Thus far, most Swiss railways seem to have not yet lapsed
into such evil ways, although I must say that I personally take
considerable exception to the FO�s �sport wagen� �Mac-tac Attack� of
see-through graphics over the windows of their ex-SBB Br�nig
mitteleinstiegwagen B 4241-3, and I grow increasingly dismayed by as
more and more Swiss locos, both standard and narrow gauge, are converted
into rolling eyesores (sorry, vital revenue earning �advertising
hoardings�). So I for one applaud the RhB for their Frankenstien-like
cut-n�shut conversions of AB�s into all A�s and all B�s. Who cares if
it makes nit-picky accounting sense when they are definitely doing the
right thing for the right reason AND not diluting the strength of the
First Class brand by merely painting out the yellow cantrail stripe!

Mike South


Re - MOB Golden Panoramic Line

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Brian Hemming" <chernex@btinternet.com>


Thanks for your reply, but I was thinking more of the non Panoramic coaches.
BEMO already has models of A 107 & AB 302 and Friho has done B 202
with "Golden Panoramic Line" lettering. Have the MOB lettered any more?
If you mean what can be seen on SwissRail files
[start link]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SwissRail/files/narrow%20gauge%20coach%20types
/SIG%202/19930717%20MOB%20307.jpg
[end link]
it is now on all coaches except those in push-pull-compositions with 3000 and
5000
----
Markus
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Re: [BEMO] MOB Golden Panoramic Line

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Brian Hemming" <chernex@btinternet.com>
Does anybody know which MOB coaches have received the Golden Panoramic
Line
lettering?
[....]
Ast 116/117 - As 111/112 - (Bs 221/228) - Bs 220/223 - Ge 4/4 - Bs
226/227 -
Bs 251/252 - Ast 151/152
I have to add, that 116/117, 111/112, 221/228, 251/252 and 151/152 already got
a paint job last year with "GoldenPass panoramic" lettering, but al little bit
smaller than this year's lettering. Colour araound the windows remained the
same, but roof changed and some of the cream colour disappeared under the new
gold.

What colour next year?

Markus Giger


Re: [BEMO] MOB Golden Panoramic Line

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Brian Hemming" <chernex@btinternet.com>
Does anybody know which MOB coaches have received the Golden Panoramic Line
lettering?

On MOB home page www.mob.ch you find pictures of three coaches:
Bs 220 http://www.mob.ch/GPS/pre/img/gpl_mob_1768.jpg
This is also the coach, that got a lift for wheelchairs and new doors

The two others would probably be Bs 226-227 as you can see the air intakes of
the ABB air condition, only installed in As 118-119, these two coaches and the
four Breda coaches. It seems that Bs 220 with its modernisation also got that
tpye of air condition, as well as As 111-112 which were completely rebuilt
last year and are now longer. Probably Brs 223 will be rebuilt in the same way
as 220. This would allow the formation of two identical compositions with
seven coaches:
Ast 116/117 - As 111/112 - (Bs 221/228) - Bs 220/223 - Ge 4/4 - Bs 226/227 -
Bs 251/252 - Ast 151/152

For the third composition remain another 7 coaches:
As 118/119
Bs 222/224/225
As 110/114

But standard will be 5 or six coaches, unless traffic would grow that much...

Markus Giger


FO & BVZ - merger

Markus Giger <giger.baumann@...>
 

FO and BVZ announced today their plans to merge the two comapnies. FO
manager and MoP Escher, aged 60, will leave, if the merger
materializes. BVZ manager Melnik left that company to become manager
in a funicular manufacturing firm. Designated general manager of the
merged company is Hans-Rudolf Mooser, coming from Lonza, Visp.

which merger next? ;-)

Markus Giger


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 6/2001

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 6/2001 has just arrived.
Besides international news, Swiss topics, are (in alphabetical order, indicating page number and cp for color photo, bwp for black&white photo):
  • BAM to replace most trains on Apples – L’Isle with busses due to a decision by the canton (249, cp)
  • BLS car transport trains to Iselle (244, cp)
  • Bombardier presents new organization after ADtranz take-over (256, cp, drawings)
  • BT Re 4/4 91 advertising for “radio aktuell” (247, cp)
  • BVZ ordered new Diesel engine at Stadler, similar to engine delivered to Ribes – Nuria (250, drawing)
  • Central Switzerland cantons with plans for S-Bahn and additional through-going tunnel station in Luzern (251, map)
  • Chem-Oil Logistics uses “Mobiler” for transports of dangerous goods. Mobiler is a more complicated system than ACTS but can handle higher weights (250, cp)
  • CJ ABe 2/6 (GTW 2/6) delivered, old BDe 4/4 602,605 and Bt 701,703,706 sold to CP (FR) for use as passenger cars behind former CJ Gm 4/4 508
  • Funambule in Neuchâtel opened, new tunnel funicular between railway station and lake (246, cp)
  • LSB (Lok-Service Burkhardt AG) Em 847 901-6 ex KLB 35, a Romanian LDH 45 (247, cp)
  • RBS Freight traffic, part 3 (278, 10 cp, 3 bwp)
  • RhB Gem 4/4 801-802 modernization (264, drawing, 9 cp)
  • RM runaway freight car hits tractor in Huttwil (243)
  • SBB and BLS signed base contract, ending BLS long distance traffic (EW IV) in Dec 2004 and ending at the same date SBB S-Bahn traffic in Bern region (252)
  • SBB derailment of night train 298 on 12 April 2001 at 0015 h in Rodi-Fiesso, closing Gotthard until 1410 h (243, cp)
  • SBB financial results 2000 (248)
  • SBB ICN driver training on Zürich – Chur (243, cp)
  • SBB line Sulgen – Gossau interrupted from 4 May through 9 May 2001 due to flood damage, replacement service by bus (246, cp)
  • SBB noise reduction program for passenger cars delayed by late delivery of components (248)
  • SBB rolling stock changes (244)
  • SBB searching 3 big or 6 small Diesel engines, probably for Northern Italy (250)
  • SBB test runs with ETCS level 2 (253, 2 cp)
  • SBB timetable concept discussion for Jura (Zürich – Biel) in BAHN 2000 (284, drawings, 1 cp)
  • SBB to replace iron bridge on Hauenstein route in Olten (244, cp)
  • SBB wins back steel transport from Emmenbrücke to Northern Italy, effective 10 May (249)
  • SBB with reduced schedule for ICN in the first months of new timetable, forcing passengers to change in Zürich to/from replacement EW IV push pull compositions Zürich – St. Gallen, ICN only running Zürich – Genève (242)
  • SBB/MThB joint venture in Eastern Switzerland takes shape, it will be based on about 120 ABe 2/6 (GTW 2/6) plus 140 drivers, work for about 90 drivers will be bought from SBB and MThB (250)
  • SBB/RhB started rebuilding Chur railway station (246, cp)
  • SBB: Eurogate project in Zürich (city on platform above rails) abandoned because UBS did not sign contract (242)
  • SOB/BT merger: name will be Südostbahn, general manager will be Dr. Guido Schoch of BT, the board directed by Dr. Georg Hess member of the cantonal government of Schwyz. (248)
  • VöV with Ombudsman for passengers of all member companies (244)
  • YSC with new paint on driving trailer Bt 51 (same color scheme as on new GTW 2/6) (246, cp)
Markus Giger
 


Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

glenn allen
 

mind to loose passengers. IMHO both is true.
2. I never said, the RhB-solution was the best that
could be found.

Markus Giger

it is nice that the RhB think of its passengers
before costs


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Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com>
but would it not have been cheaper to either align the
seats or install a different type of seat that doesn't
line up?
please note two things:
1. passenger in Switzerland absolutely hate to sit behind a wall instead of at
a window. And they also hate to sit in rows like in tramway instead of
"coup�s" (open compartment, or what would you call it?). Would *you* like it,
to have eight coup�s with seven windows? I know, German and French railway do
it. There are two possible explanations: landscape is boring or they do not
mind to loose passengers. IMHO both is true.
2. I never said, the RhB-solution was the best that could be found.

Markus Giger


Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

David Eerdmans <D.Eerdmans@...>
 

----------
Van: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com>
but would it not have been cheaper to either align the
seats or install a different type of seat that doesn't
line up?
Most rail companies in Europe don't give a *** whether the seats line up
with the windows or not. E.g. in TGV's and Dutch and Belgian Intercity
coaches the seats don't line up. But then, for the Rhaetische Bahn it's of
course far more important that people have a good view out of the windows,
because all the tourists (and train enthusiasts ;-) travelling on their
trains... :-D

Greetings,
David


Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

glenn allen
 

--- tudor erich <tudoryork@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This doesn`t make sense. Why should the windows and
seats line up? > coaches. What does the 1st class
patron pay extra
for
Best advantage of 1st class is not travelling with the
great unwashed.

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Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

tudor erich
 

This doesn`t make sense. Why should the windows and
seats line up? They don`t on certain DB Ist class
coaches, and why should 4 lots of passengers in FO
4293-4296 coaches, ex 4063-6 benefit from 1st class
seating spacing and tables, in what are now 2nd class
coaches. What does the 1st class patron pay extra for
in this situation-the `privelege` of four across and
tables in the latest Pininfarina panoramic cars? The
railway companies are not consistent in their service
provision.I feel there is more to this than is
immediately clear. Were the RhB able to obtain some
financial benefit from this cut and shut policy, as
compared to just interior re-furbishment perhaps?
--- glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com> wrote: > but
would it not have been cheaper to either align
the
seats or install a different type of seat that
doesn't
line up?
--- Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@smile.ch> wrote:
-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com>
From Glenn :
So why 'cut and shut' pairs of coaches, why not
just
alter the interiors to either first or second
class?

Because this would have meant that seats would no
longer correspond with
windows. Second has 8 windows, first has 6.
Markus


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Re: RhB / Bahnlehrpfad Preda - Berguen

glenn allen
 

but would it not have been cheaper to either align the
seats or install a different type of seat that doesn't
line up?
--- Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@smile.ch> wrote:
-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com>
From Glenn :
So why 'cut and shut' pairs of coaches, why not
just
alter the interiors to either first or second
class?

Because this would have meant that seats would no
longer correspond with
windows. Second has 8 windows, first has 6.
Markus


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