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Re: Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "David Eerdmans" <D.Eerdmans@...>
Even when I was there in the beginning of May the path was still covered
with lots of snow. But as an alternative, we walked on the road from Preda
to Berguen. Also very scenic, and you still get to see the railway,
although the Bahnlehrpfad is definately better for taking pictures. In
winter, the Albula pass is closed, so there shouldn't be much car traffic
on the road.
This road is the same road that serves as a "Schlittelweg" for passengers
arriving with "RhB-Schlittelz�ge" Berg�n - Preda in Winter. Sledges
("Schlitten") can be leased at the railway stations.

Markus


Re: Is WSB taking over from SBB ?

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: <jeanphilippe.noiville@...>
[...]. Closing the line will allow the narrow gauge railway WSB
Wynen- und Suhrentalbahn to relocate its rails from the road to the
former SBB right-of-way".
My question is, what is the current status of that project ? Is it
already completed, under completion, or still just being discussed ?
I'd like to film the present WSB road stretch and I'm trying to find
out how much time I have for that.
Work is in progress, in July the last standard gauge train reached Menziken
(National Circus Knie). So, don't wait too long with your filiming project.

Markus


Is WSB taking over from SBB ?

jeanphilippe.noiville@...
 

Hello to all,
I sent this msg yesterday but I probably erred, since it doesn't
appear. I'm now repeating it.

I'm referring to an earlier (May 2000) message which stated :
"Swiss Government has decided that SBB can close its Seetalbahn
branchline Beinwil - Beromünster. Passenger trafic on this line was
transfered to bus in 1992, freight transports to Reinach and Menziken
continued. Closing the line will allow the narrow gauge railway WSB
Wynen- und Suhrentalbahn to relocate its rails from the road to the
former SBB right-of-way".

My question is, what is the current status of that project ? Is it
already completed, under completion, or still just being discussed ?
I'd like to film the present WSB road stretch and I'm trying to find
out how much time I have for that.
Thanks for your help
Best regards to all


Re: Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?

David Eerdmans <D.Eerdmans@...>
 

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Van: Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
Aan: SwissRail@...
Onderwerp: Re: [SwissRail] Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?
Datum: woensdag 24 oktober 2001 2:27

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Alexander Rhoads" <webhund@...>

Is the Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad walkable in Winter (i.e., January or
February)?

hardly (except you take your X rot d with you ...)
Even when I was there in the beginning of May the path was still covered
with lots of snow. But as an alternative, we walked on the road from Preda
to Berguen. Also very scenic, and you still get to see the railway,
although the Bahnlehrpfad is definately better for taking pictures. In
winter, the Albula pass is closed, so there shouldn't be much car traffic
on the road.

Regards,
David


Re: Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?

tudor erich
 

--- Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...> wrote:
I have my Ferro-Suisse x rot d. Is it better to use it
it uphill or downhill. Will I need it in mid march
during mynext planned visit? Perhaps I see 43 as well
and bring it home? Tudoryork.
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hardly (except you take your X rot d with you ...)<BR>
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Re: Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Alexander Rhoads" <webhund@...>

Is the Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad walkable in Winter (i.e., January or
February)?

hardly (except you take your X rot d with you ...)

Markus


Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad open in Winter?

Alexander Rhoads <webhund@...>
 

Is the Bahnhistorischer Lehrpfad walkable in Winter (i.e., January or February)? I missed it on my last trip and want to include it next time around if possible.

Alexander Rhoads
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Loki Subscription Delays in USA?

Alexander Rhoads <webhund@...>
 

The past two issues of my Loki subscription were seriously overdue. Then both issues showed up in the mailbox together on the same day. Has anyone else
experienced delays in receiving their subscriptions in the US? I'm sure bulk mail such as this may have been delayed due to the WTC attacks, but am curious.

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re brooms

stephenhorobin@...
 

The brooms on the Brunig are just past Brunig Hasliberg bahnhof on
the descent to Luzerne .

I always thought that the purpose of the Brooms was to brush snow of
the side of the trains to prevent the build up of snow and water
inside the tunnels!

Mind your heads!

Steve.


Re: Brooms

David Eerdmans <D.Eerdmans@...>
 

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Van: Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
Aan: SwissRail@...
Onderwerp: Re: [SwissRail] Brooms
Datum: maandag 22 oktober 2001 11:35

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, glenn allen wrote:

At Spiez and at an unknown Brunig line station there
are four brooms tied horizontally onto a pole at he
end of one of the platforms, it appears to be a sign
for something. But what?
Don't laugh: To make the people not to put their head out of the window.
There are some signal poles nearby the track where someone can hit his
head. You can find this brooms at the Furka-Oberalp Railway (between
Andermatt and N�tschen), too.
Ah, when I was hanging out the window on the Bruenig line, I wondered who
would put those brooms so close to the train that you could hit your head
to them...this explains a lot. Though I don't remember them being at a
station but near the entrance of a tunnel.

Despite the signs Nicht Hinauslehnen and the brooms :-) putting your head
out of the window can be very pleasent. In the evening twilight, on the
Albulabahn between Filisur and Berguen, breathing the wonderful air,
looking at the mountains from a RhB train.... that's the real holiday
feeling! :-D

(sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

Regards,
David


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 10/2001

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 11/2001 arrived Monday.
Besides international news, Swiss topics, are (in alphabetical order, indicating page number and cp for color photo):
  • ATG (Alp Transit Gotthard, an SBB-daughter) signed building contracts for CHF 1.48b with a group of four big firms from CH, AT, IT and DE, lead by Zschokke Locher AG (475)
  • BLSAT (BLS Alp Transit) got green lights to start work in Frutigen (484)
  • BLT tram lines 10 and 11 since 29 June 2001 now stop at Basel SBB after some hundred meters of new track was constructed (510, 4 cp, 2 plans)
  • Bombardier 12X (DB 128 001) again in Switzerland (485, cp Blausee-Mitholz of 16 Aug 2001)
  • BT Re 4/4 93 with new “SERSA” ad pulled a special train Uznach - Sargans after inauguration of two heavy SERSA-cranes “Asterix” and “Obelix” (480, cp)
  • BVZ HG 2/3 under steam again (479, cp)
  • BZB (Bayrische Zugspitzbahn) Beh 4/4 309 ex BOB has been repaired by Stadler Altenrhein and now made first test runs together with ex RBS Bt, also on rack section up to Eibsee (487, cp)
  • CJ inaugurated 4 new GTW 2/6 trains, ABe 2/6 631-634 (480, cp)
  • DB special train to Zürich streetparade (483, cp)
  • GGB saw visit of refurbished BVZ steam locomotive HG 2/3 7 (479, cp)
  • HUPAC Siemens locomotives (Taurus, 1116) and Siemens Lokpool (500, fleet list, 5 cp)
  • IG Tunnelkino, a private association offering tunnel cinema rides in Weissenstein tunnel (Solothurn – Moutier) bought an electric railcar from SOB (ABe 4/4 11 now ABe 526 290) and painted it blue (477, cp)
  • public transport in Switzerland with higher prices starting on 1 Dec 2001 and 1 May 2002 (484)
  • RB manager leaves to become manager of ASTAG, the road transport association (!!) (478)
  • RBS and FLP (16 + 5) intermediate trailers for Be 4/8 by Stadler (491, 13 cp, drawings)
  • Regio-S-Bahn Basel cross-boarder services to be introduced 2002 for Freiburg - Basel and 2005 for Wiesental line (478)
  • RhB Bernina motor coaches 30…34 still in daily operation (478,cp)
  • RhB bicycle trains in Engadin to make regional trains more punctual (477, cp)
  • RhB Ge 4/4 647 with new ad (no longer yellow) for “Bündner Kantonalbank” (482, cp)
  • RhB Salon As 1144, pushed by GGB Bhe 4/4 3062, reached Gornergrat for the first time on 26 Aug 2001 (480, cp) [pictures by Manfred Luckmann in the files section of BEMO-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BEMO/files/RhB_Salon_GGB/ ]
  • RhB Vereina tunnel now also open for 40 t trucks; they are put on two wagons to spread their weight (476)
  • RM special train with 241 A 65, the probably biggest steam engine still in use (480, cp)
  • S-Bahn Ticino and other projects in Southern Switzerland/Northern Italy (516, 4 plans)
  • S-Bahn-Zentralschweiz planning continues in two groups (Luzern and Zug - Gotthard) (483)
  • SBB and Canton Genève presented plans for a new line La Praille - Eaux-Vives which would cost CHF 950m and bridge the Eaux-Vives - Cornavin gap of about 2 km by a 12.5 km long “city round trip” (514, 3 plans)
  • SBB Bem 550 finally roll regualarly to French Bellegarde-sur-Valserine with Swiss engineers [French bureaucracy had some problems accepting a tramway on a main line…] (509, cp)
  • SBB buys engineer services at DB, since 30 Sep 2001 two or three DB-engineers are daily at the controls of SBB trains (also ICE) between Zürich and Singen (483)
  • SBB chooses new role in England (474)
  • SBB construction work on 3.2 km Oenzberg tunnel (on new Mattstetten - Rothrist line) have started (483)
  • SBB ICN screws had no faults, all srews are now fixed in a different way (475)
  • SBB Infrastructure looses plant manager Erwin Rutishauser, the latter becoming consultant (476)
  • SBB Luzern station saw a new derailment on the same double turnout where last year two EW IV BLS had derailed. On 8 Oct 2001, 09.44 h it was SBB/SOB/BT Voralpenexpress of which the BR and a B derailed. The two tracks leading into Lucerne were only cleared the next day, one of them could be used from 11.10 h (475, cp)
  • SBB opened new stop for special trains adjacent to Basel “St. Jakob Stadion” (482)
  • SBB plans for double track on Brünig line between Lucerne and Hergiswil (479)
  • SBB Re 4/4 II 11397 (last built locomotive of this type) undergoing “secret” tests in Germany to get approval by EBA (490) [EBA is the German “Eisenbahnbundesamt” = Federal Railway Authority, an office renowned for its bureaucracy …]
  • SBB restructured energy services, which also deliver 16.7 Hz current to private railways (483)
  • SBB sells Cargo logistic centers (CSC) to Rhenus (484)
  • SBB study for improvements in Pratteln station (476)
  • SBB to buy 10 Bombardier cargo-locomotives of the same type as DB 185, which is similar to 145 and MThB Re 486, but also fitted for 25 kV 50 Hz (490)
  • SBB/HUPAC piggy back trains pulled by Ae 6/6 on Erstfeld - Singen (480, cp)
  • Swiss and French transport ministers signed a memorandum for a to-be-cunstructed Mülhausen airport link (475)
  • THURBO AG is the new name for SBB/MThB-joint venture [see SwissRail message] (512, 3 cp)
  • TMR/MC “Amis du Train historique de la Vallée du Trient” (ATVT) presented historic ABFeh 4/4 15 with driving trailer BFZt4 74 of 1909 and 08 vintage on 8 Sep 2001; rides were open to public (477, cp). The association also ownes motor coach 32, driving trailers 51 and 75 and wagons 166 and 121.
  • TPC: very rare use of BVB BDe 4/4 82 (1976) with driving trailer Bt 65, built 1987 together with BDe 83 (478, cp)
  • TRAVYS merger [see SwissRail message] (476, cp of Be 2/6 2001)
  • UITP conference on 20 Sep 2001 in Berne (482), hosted by ASm who’s manager Ueli Sinzig is vice president of UITP (482)
  • VBZ got permission from FOT for commercial use of new Cobra tramways (480)
  • VBZ predecessor Limmattalstrassenbahn LSB Ce 2/2 2 refurbished by TMZ; it had survived as a service vehicle on MC (482, cp)
Markus
 


Re: Brooms

Max Wyss
 

Well, you probably would feel it when you put your head out of the window at that location.

It usually means that there is some construction nearby which gets a bit close to the cars, and this is a warning... not injuring, but efficient enough...

Max Wyss.

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I was asked the following question at the Croydon show
this weekend.
At Spiez and at an unknown Brunig line station there
are four brooms tied horizontally onto a pole at he
end of one of the platforms, it appears to be a sign
for something. But what?


Re: Brooms

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, glenn allen wrote:

At Spiez and at an unknown Brunig line station there
are four brooms tied horizontally onto a pole at he
end of one of the platforms, it appears to be a sign
for something. But what?
Don't laugh: To make the people not to put their head out of the window.
There are some signal poles nearby the track where someone can hit his
head. You can find this brooms at the Furka-Oberalp Railway (between
Andermatt and Nätschen), too.

HTH,
Stefan


Brooms

glenn allen
 

I was asked the following question at the Croydon show
this weekend.
At Spiez and at an unknown Brunig line station there
are four brooms tied horizontally onto a pole at he
end of one of the platforms, it appears to be a sign
for something. But what?

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Re: Stepvisit to MOB

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Another SwissRail member visited the MOB the day before me. Thus I can now
complete my sightings:

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@...>
On the way home from Villeneuve on Thursday, we decided to go home via MOB.
So
we left Montreux 1626 with train 29. Here is, what we met en route to
Zweisimmen (All consists shown first car on the Montreux side, panoramic
cars
in new paint if nothing mentioned):
train 226: ABDe 8/8, B, A 106 new with high roof and diaphragms, B 203
rebuilt
earlier
train 29: Ast 116, As 112, Brs 221, Ge 4/4 8003, B 227 golden, Bs 251,
Arst 151
train 2374: GDe 4/4 6001, As 110 blue, Brs 223 blue, As 118 new paint,
Bs 226 golden, BD (the day before it was rebuilt, golden Bs 220)
train 230: ABDe 8/8 4004, AB 307, B 218 ex A 104 new with high roof and
diaphragms, B 210
train 32: Ast 117, As 111, Bs 228, Ge 4/4 8004, Bs 222, Bs 252, Arst 152
train 234: Ge 4/4 8002, B 212, AB 305, BD 205
Thus, non-seen are: As 114 (was in train du chocolat the day before),
As 119, Bs 220 golden (replaced by a BD), Bs 224, Bs 225
For Bs 224 and 225 it is planned to convert them like Bs 220

some pictures from Maurizio Polier:
http://www.polier.ch/page/bahn/mob/mob.htm
pictures of train 29 on BahnCH
Markus


Closed lines

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Season for trackwork:

FO Oberalp Andermatt - Sedrun is closed due to work on the line. Closure lasts
from Monday, Oct 15 through Sat, Oct 27.

TPC line Monthey - Champ�ry (AOMC) is closed from Mo, Oct 15 through Fri, Nov
16

NStCM line Nyon - Trelex is closed from Mo, Oct 15 through Fri, Oct 26

RhB Arosa line remains closed between Chur and St. Peter-Molinis untill
mid-November.

BTW, also �BB Arlberg was once again closed this weekend between Bludenz and
�tztal. Night trains took the route via M�nchen !!

On all lines, timetable service is maintained with replacement busses.

Markus


Re: SCB Mallet loco 2 x 2/2

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: <mhardyrandall@...>
The SCB ordered the Ed 2 x 2/2, nos:181 - 196, steam loco from Maffei, who
built it with an open back cab. At a later date the cab area was redesigned
and enclosed. Can anybody please tell me when?
I cannot tell you exactly. But the following facts could help:
The first batch of six was delivered in 1891, the second of ten locomotives in
1893. They were never identical. If I understand Moser correctly (but it might
be that he meant the first rebuild and not delivery - it is not clear), only
the second batch had open cabs. But already on a photo around 1902 (Bild 209
in Moser which is now negative n� 7.238 of Verkehrshaus) n� 7695 had an
enclosed cab. This means, all rebuilding was done during the (about) ten years
these locomotives were used by SCB. It seems, SBB did not like these engines
and started to dispose of them already in 1910, after only 17 years in service
(to compare: the *last* batch of Re 4/4 II has now 16-17 years of service).
About five locomotives went into World War I, they were sold in 1915/17 as T9
7051... to "MGD" Brussels. Four locomotives were kept after 1917 for the steep
Vallorbe - Le Brassus line. 7691 and 7690 left in 1934 and 36 and only 7687
and 7696 saw the electrification of this line in 1938. 7696 was withdrawn in
1938 but preserved and got back the open cab.
Markus


SCB Mallet loco 2 x 2/2

mhardyrandall@...
 

Hi,

Can anybody please shed any light on the following question?

The SCB ordered the Ed 2 x 2/2, nos:181 - 196, steam loco from Maffei, who
built it with an open back cab. At a later date the cab area was redesigned
and enclosed. Can anybody please tell me when?

Many thanks.

Malcolm Hardy-Randall


Re: news from SBB, BLS, MThB, BT, SOB

Markus Giger <giger.baumann@...>
 

--- In SwissRail@y..., "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@s...> wrote:
[...]
SBB-MThB joint venture project, initially called
"Regionalbahn Ostschweiz" is searching a new name.
A website "dieneuebahn" (= thenewrailway) was put
up where public can make proposals for a new name.
http://www.dieneuebahn.ch/
On Wednesday the new name was presented:
Thurbo, which stands for Thur (a river), Thurgau (the
canton where the company is at home), Bodensee (lake of
Constance), but also RBO (project name) and, of course
"Turbo"...
a website is set up
www.thurbo.ch

The managing director is Dr. Ersnt Boos who had the
same place in "old" Südostbahn SOB, that will be merged
together with BT into "new" SOB.

Markus Giger


Re 460 information

Toni Vallès
 

Thank you very much for the information about Re 460. They are very interesting pages.
 
A. Vallès