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Re: BLS 420 Diagrams

Martin Baumann
 

Replacement probably at the December timetable change. 502 has been in service this month, 504 last known working 18.07.2021

Without an overhaul 501 can run to 16.11.2022 502 24.02.2022 504 22.07.2022


BLS 420 Diagrams

Tim G
 

On Sunday 22nd August, I went to view the BLS 420 turns and found 420 501 on 09:08 Interlaken Ost - Zweisimmen, but there was a 565 EMU on 09:38 Zweisimmen - Spiez.
I could see 420 504 looking a bit dumped down the back of Spiez depot, while what must have been 420 502 was inside the depot, so assume that only one of the three locos was serviceable and that was why the EMU was out. But I guess it is equally possible that there is now only 1 diagram left for BLS 420s.
Can anyone confirm what the status is of 420 502 & 504 and also is there any information on when these locos will be replaced by new EMUs? I assume this is fairly imminent.

Thanks for any information.
Tim G


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 02:49 PM, Martin Baumann wrote:


2004 2006 2058 2303 are now reportedly withdrawn
2004 confirmed as sold for scrap today


Re: Collision in Vereina Tunnel.

Martin Baumann
 

Now confirmed as 3129 in the accident. Resolution on only available photo too poor to be certain.


Re: Collision in Vereina Tunnel.

David Prior
 

On 29 Aug 2021, at 15:48, Martin Baumann <martin98baumann@outlook.com> wrote:

Yesterday, 28.08.2021 about 13:15 a car shuttle passed a red signal leaving the Klosters terminal and was in a side collision, with an ABe 4/16 unit, believed to be 3127.
3127 is diagrammed for service on Monday

3129 allocated on repair at LQ

But I am completely guessing, and maybe making 2+2 = 5……


Collision in Vereina Tunnel.

Martin Baumann
 

Yesterday, 28.08.2021 about 13:15 a car shuttle passed a red signal leaving the Klosters terminal and was in a side collision, with an ABe 4/16 unit, believed to be 3127. Nobody was hurt but the line was closed for three hours.

https://www.gr.ch/DE/institutionen/verwaltung/djsg/kapo/aktuelles/medien/2021/Seiten/202108292.aspx (German)


Re: BLS EWI Interiors

Alan McMillan
 

I've gone with the red and blue as I have a photo that shows blue upholstery with grey headrests in a BN EWI and I'll assume there's red at the other end in non-smoking. Photos to follow.

Regards

Alan


Re: BLS EWI Interiors

csipromo
 

I remember BLS coaches having the red and blue interiors. I think that was around 1985, when I was in the Interlaken region.
I remember seeing BLS EWI in green and in blue/beige in 1971-72. I don't recall whether the interiors were the same or whether there were differences between the two.
The only time I had seen BLS coaches that year was around Bern while travelling from Lausanne back to Zurich after a trip to Paris.

Regards

Mike C


Re: BLS EWI Interiors

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.08.2021 um 23:50 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
On Sunday, 22 August 2021, 10:08:32 BST, Alan McMillan
<alan@techwareconsultancy.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if the BLS/GBS/BN/SEZ had the same red and green
seating colours as the SBB in their EWI vehicles after they were
painted in blue and cream after 1976?
A long time ago, but my recollection is of a different experience EWs
had dull seats inside the coaches when we changed from SBB to BLS
coaches in the early 1970s. Fairly certain BLS was a drab colour
similar to SBB leichstahlwagen
Absolutely agree, Gordon. But the question was for AFTER 1976.

The replacement of wooden seats on most Swiss railways or their "light" upholstery was usually brown leatherette, in a few cases dark green or red. The colourful seating started as follows:

1958 first class EW I of SBB with green textile for non smoking an red for smoking

1960 Bodensee-Toggenburg-Bahn with green and red leatherette in second class (the small first class was blue textile, independent from the amount of smoke produced...)

1965 SBB EW II with green and red plastic cover

1973 SBB EW I refurbished with similar seats as EW II

1976 BLS EW I of the last series with blue and red textile

HTH

Markus


Re: BLS EWI Interiors

gordonwis
 

On Sunday, 22 August 2021, 10:08:32 BST, Alan McMillan <alan@techwareconsultancy.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if the BLS/GBS/BN/SEZ had the same red and green seating colours as the SBB in their EWI vehicles after they were painted in blue and cream after 1976?

A long time ago, but my recollection is of a different experience EWs had dull seats inside the coaches when we changed from SBB to BLS coaches in the early 1970s. Fairly certain BLS was a drab colour similar to SBB leichstahlwagen


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

Vinnitsa, who operate many of the Mirage trams (1601-1726), will receive 35 Tram 2000 between 2022 and 2025:

https://vbzonline.ch/es-freut-mich-dass-die-tram-2000-in-vinnitsa-weiterfahren/ (German)


Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

2004 2006 2058 2303 are now reportedly withdrawn


Re: BLS EWI Interiors

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.08.2021 um 09:16 schrieb Alan McMillan:
Does anyone know if the BLS/GBS/BN/SEZ had the same red and green
seating colours as the SBB in their EWI vehicles after they were
painted in blue and cream after 1976?
I can't recall a gren seat in any BLS coach. And BLS never had that plastic material that SBB used for their EW II and refurbished EW I B.

EA 6/1976 reports that the then new coaches were delivered with textile seat covers. From memory I would say that the seats were blue and red.

On a side line, in "Das grosse Buch der Lötschbergbahn" I found for the 1976 delivery the statement, "wurden alle ab Fabrik blau-crème lackiert, wobei das Blau heller als bisher ausfällt", thus earlier vehicles had a darker blue.

Taking Alan's recent finding, that the blue was RAL 5013 for the 1976 delivery and RAL 5003 for later paint jobs, there is a third colour for paint jobs before 1976.

Markus, Gürbetal


BLS EWI Interiors

Alan McMillan
 

Does anyone know if the BLS/GBS/BN/SEZ had the same red and green seating colours as the SBB in their EWI vehicles after they were painted in blue and cream after 1976?


BLS Liveries (Update)

Alan McMillan
 

I think I've put the debate about the BLS 1976 livery to bed. By accident I found a website that showed models of BLS EWIs in the 1976 livery (Dingler.de). Their models are in 1:32 scale and look fabulous. I emailed them and asked if they could tell me the colour references they used to paint their models. After anly half a hour they very kindly sent me a full drawing of one of the coaches together with an entire paint specification. That specification says that the 1976 blue was RAL 5013 and the cream, RAL 1015. For the BLS Lötschbergbahn livery, the blue was the slightly greyer RAL 5003.
This probably accounts for the slight difference in appearance when a BLS Lötschbergbahn liveried coach and a 1976 liveried coach were seen together.


Berninabahn BB81

Gbgen
 

BB81 is to be transferred from Blonay-Chamby to Landquart by road and then on 26 August she moves on to Pontresina by rail. Travel is possible on this transfer for CHF100:-

https://www.bahnoldtimer.com/2021/08/26/%C3%BCberfuhrfahrt-bb-81/?fbclid=IwAR0RdnrL3Kvm8rE5V_9bo5YYbmxlSpmDMdn5sVUvGbZx8Q_iu8tRvq-wKJ4

Then on 2/3 October BB81 and Ge 4/4 182 will be working special trains over the Bernina, and BB81 will be based at Pontresina also during the 2022 season.


Ceneri Base Tunnel 460s?

Gbgen
 

Excuse the question, but does anyone know of trains that pass through the Ceneri Base Tunnel that are booked for class 460 please?

Before travelling I did some research and couldn't find any. During the day on Saturday 14 August all I saw was 500s, 501s, 502s and 524s. So I was somewhat surprised when heading north to pass 460 039 on 17:05 Zürich Hbf-Lugano(IC881). On checking reisezeuge.ch, I saw that this train should have been a class 500.


Brünig Historic 5 September

Gbgen
 

Featuring steam, HGe 4/4 I 1992 and LSE BDeh 140 005:-

https://verein.zbhistoric.ch/zeitreise/


RhB Rheinschluct diagram 14.08.21

davey
 

703


SBB Gotthard 14.08.21

davey
 

11411 SBB Historic Erlebniszug

11181 Panorama Express

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