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Re: Location of Zürich Flughafe n

Chris Wood
 

Markus writes:

The company built a railway from Konstanz and Singen (both in Germany!) via Etwilen,
Winterthur, Effretikon, Kloten, Zürich Oerlikon, Regensdorf, Wettingen, Baden Oberstadt,
Mellingen, Lenzburg, Suhr, Aarau and Zofingen.
Which is, I presume, why the current S6 service makes such a large turn (>90 degrees) between Zürich Oerlikon and Seebach stations. When the line was built, the main line seems to have been seen as running directly from Seebach to Opfikon. I guess that with that and the routing you describe, the line was seem as more for freight than passengers.

I do remember the very first time I visited Zürich (on business) I ended with a hotel room on the upper floors of the Swissotel, with a view straight up the line from Oerlikon towards Opfikon, and being fascinated by the rather complex and non-intuitive track layout there. This goes some way to explaining that layout.


Nationalbahn (was: Location of Zürich Flughafen)

Andrew Moglestue
 

Markus, Thanks for pointing out that the airport line owns its origins to the Nationalbahn.
You mention the Nationalbahn went to Oerlikon?
Didn't it just go straight from Opfikon to Seebach using what is now the freight curve?
I believed the curve between Seebach and Oerlikon was newer.
But I could well be mistaken (I often am with these things).

You also mention how in many places the Nationalbahn ran drectly parallel to other railways.
How did this work in the stations? Would they have shared the stations, despite being bitter rivals?
Were there laws forcing rival companies to cooperate in such situations?
Or did they each have their own duplicate facilities side by side?
This would have affected not only the smaller country stations but also larger ones such as Winterthur, Aarau etc

Andrew.


Re: Location of Zürich Flughafen

OL.Guerbetal
 

Quite another story is the railway geography around Kloten. In fact the relatively short airport link could use the pre-existing "Nationalbahn" line. The Nationalbahn was a company that wanted itself to be an alternative to the big private railway companies Nordostbahn (NOB), Centralbahn (SCB) and Vereinigte Schweizerbahnen (VSB). The company built a railway from Konstanz and Singen (both in Germany!) via Etwilen, Winterthur, Effretikon, Kloten, Z�rich Oerlikon, Regensdorf, Wettingen, Baden Oberstadt, Mellingen, Lenzburg, Suhr, Aarau and Zofingen.

The lines opened beteween 1875 and 1877. Further extensions were stopped by bankruptcy in 1880. In that year, NOB took over the enemy. The lines survived. Not so the competing NOB line that was hastily built to take away as much traffic as possible from SNB. That line, opened in 1877, went from Niederglatt (over the "Schipka-Pass") to Wettingen but paralleled the SNB line from Otelfingen to Wettingen. Likewise the SNB line paralleled the Winterthur - Effretikon line of NOB. The parallel bits were removed by NOB, unfortunately. The Winterthur - Effretikon track has since been reinstated.

With the plans for a rail link to Z�rich airport and a shorter, faster line between Z�rich and Bern in the 1970ies, the SNB right-of-way was very welcome. Effretikon - Z�rich Oerlikon became part of the airport link and was doubled. Mellingen - Lenzburg was the perfect access line for the Heitersberg tunnel. Z�rich Oerlikon - Regensdorf - Wettingen was also partly doubled and is now a freight deviation for Z�rich and an important S-Bahn line.

Etzwilen - singen closed completely, Baden Oberstadt - Mellingen lost its passenger traffic but still is a much appreciated deviation line to the Heitersberg tunnel. Aarau - Suhr was sold to WSB and is now meter gauge.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Location of Zürich Flughafen

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 09.06.2015 um 15:18 schrieb chris_j_wood@... [SwissRail]:
It seems that the main reason for selecting the original site in 1945
was the fact it was already in federal ownership as a military depot.
The English language Wikipedia article describes this as the 'Kloten
Ordnance Depot', which if it is a fair translation implies the depot
was a storage place for munitions.
Reading the German Wikipedia and knowing Swiss structures, my conclusion is quite the opposite...

What existed of air traffic before WW2 moved from Dübendorf. The Army then wanted civil aviation to go away from the Dübendorf airport. This again made the canton Zürich to search for an area where a civil airport could be erected.

The field he chose belonged to the (still existing) Kloten-Bülach garrison (with caserne or barracks in the two towns) but had then served, different from today, the artillery for exercises.

English Wikipedia has been rectified.

So, the canton of Zürich bought the area from the Confederation to build its own airport. The Federal Parliament supported the idea of Zürich against another idea of a central Swiss airport in Utzenstorf. This never built airport could now easily be served by the NBS... ;-)

Nobody thought of a rail link then!

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Location of Zürich Flughafen

Chris Wood
 

Andrew asks:

Obviously the airport at Zürich is far older than the rail station serving it.
But I was wondering, was that link planned from the beginning?
Was this location selected because it could be rail served?

Of course it was not actually on any line, the present line was built especially to serve it, but the total
construction length is relatively moderate for very great effect. Was this great luck or was this great
planning?
I looked into this a couple of years ago when I was making some changes to the Wikipedia article on Zürich Airport. It seems that the main reason for selecting the original site in 1945 was the fact it was already in federal ownership as a military depot. The English language Wikipedia article describes this as the 'Kloten Ordnance Depot', which if it is a fair translation implies the depot was a storage place for munitions.

Obviously the airport has expanded since then, and I'm not sure which part of the current airport site is the original. But it is quite possible that the army depot was sited where it was so that munitions could be moved in and out by rail.


Location of Zürich Flughafen

Andrew Moglestue
 

Obviously the airport at Zürich is far older than the rail station serving it.
But I was wondering, was that link planned from the beginning?
Was this location selected because it could be rail served?

Of course it was not actually on any line, the present line was built especially to serve it, but the total construction length is relatively moderate for very great effect. Was this great luck or was this great planning?


Summer HAFAS offline timetable now available

Martin Baumann
 

The ÖBB Summer edition of the offline timetable software (valid from 14.06.2015) is now available at
http://www.oebb.at/de/Reiseplanung/Fahr ... /index.jsp


or direct download at http://fahrplan.oebb.at/download/oebb_ep/oebbcd_s15.exe


Re: 561 174 (was 421 384)

Martin Baumann
 

576 059 is not stored but is no longer permitted to run on the mainline. It is used for shunting at Samstagern Depot


Re: new units for Jungfraubahn

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 06.06.2015 um 14:27 schrieb Martin Baumann:
JB have ordered Bhe 4/8 219 to 222 from Stadler. They will be
delivered between March and July next year
It should be noted that these trains are very different from 211-218 as they have three elements and their total length is 47.86m. Only the centre element has two bogies. All four bogies are motorized. Entrance is low floor (365mm). The concept seems to be similar to the latest GGB trains, but JB wants to (or has to) keep the front doors. Thus the front resembles very much 211-218.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: Sierre deviation opened

Martin Baumann
 

I'm not sure where the +80m figure was from. It was in an old note I had. Using two different online measuring tools and with the help of the map linked by Markus the distance is reduced, but only by 11 metres. The figure "1200m new track" refers to double track it is half that for the new line


new units for Jungfraubahn

Martin Baumann
 

JB have ordered Bhe 4/8 219 to 222 from Stadler. They will be delivered between March and July next year


Re: Sierre deviation opened

Guerbetaler
 

Am 06.06.2015 um 12:55 schrieb Martin Baumann
martin98baumann@... [SwissRail]:
The deviation at Sierre incorporating the new 373m Gobet tunnel
opened for southbound trains on April 27th and as double track on May
31st This incorporates 1200m of new line including the tunnel.
Linespeed has been raised to 140 km/h in the area.
Reason for a new bore was the profile which didn't allow double deckers. I still passed through the old tunnel on 6th April and wasn't aware that closure was so near...

From the position of the new tunnel the distance should decrease!
<http://map.geo.admin.ch/?X=127144.00&Y=607868.00&zoom=10&lang=de&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&crosshair=marker>

Markus, G�rbetal


Sierre deviation opened

Martin Baumann
 

The deviation at Sierre incorporating the new 373m Gobet tunnel opened for southbound trains on April 27th and as double track on May 31st This incorporates 1200m of new line including the tunnel. Linespeed has been raised to 140 km/h in the area. Subject to confirmation this increases line distance by 80 metres


Re: 460 098 IR2437

Ewan Tait
 

Just passed us on the viaduct south of Amsteg at 09:30 working IR2316 07:10
Chiasso - Basel (as far as Luzern). Thanks again!

Ewan

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http://ewan.me.uk


Re: 460 098 IR2437

Martin Baumann
 

Sorry Bruce but that is the wrong diagram for Saturday. It should work 601.2 train 2316 etc


Re: 460 098 IR2437

Ewan Tait
 

Thanks Martin, Bruce

Limited internet access just now with my phone.

Also of interest is 460 102 parked at Fluelen. Lit up with a driver on
board.

Ewan

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http://ewan.me.uk


Re: RhB 205

OL.Guerbetal
 

Today was the yearly General Assembly of RhB in Chur. The president of the board informed about the return of 205 to RhB tracks and said that still a lot had to be done, without mentioning details.

From small talk after the assembly I found out that the locomotive still is owned by the canton of Zürich who had received the loco for its Technikum Winterthur.

The loco had then been taken to Arth-Goldau by a private person who had been a member of RhB Historic or one of the member associations (sorry, don't know the structure exactly). This person had left the association, not because he wanted, if I'm not mistaken...

This private person didn't want to give the loco back, but as he was not the owner, he couldn't oppose the move. However, it seems that he still is in possession of some parts. Thus the story isn't at its end.

Hans-Peter Bärtschi had announced the action in an article in Tages-Anzeiger of 13 May 2015:

Ganz «den Letzten» hat Bärtschi noch nicht. Er will zum Abschluss eine Lok «entführen». Eine Ge 2/4 der Rhätischen Bahn, eine spezielle Grossmotor-Lokomotive, die in Arth-Goldau schlecht gewartet vor sich hin rostet. Es wird eine Nacht-und-Nebel-Aktion. Mit Lastwagen und Grosskran. «Ich habe zwar alle Bewilligungen im Sack, aber es gibt erbitterten Widerstand gegen meine Pläne.» Ein typischer «Fall Bärtschi» also.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: 460 098 IR2437

Martin Baumann
 

460 098 tomorrow if it sticks to the diagram.


2316 Chiasso – Luzern 07.10 – 10.06
2319 Luzern – Locarno 11.18 – 14.13
2332 Locarno – Luzern 15.47 – 18.41
2335 Luzern – Locarno 19.18 – 22.13


Loco diagrams kindly provided by Keith each year are in the group files section


Re: 460 098 IR2437

bs177@...
 

---In SwissRail@..., <ewan@...> wrote :
Gottardo 2016 loco, 460 098, has just gone south through Fluelen
on IR2437 20:09 Zurich - Chiasso. If anyone is able to help with what
it is likely to work tomorrow, that would be appreciated.

Probably
25756 Chiasso – Bellinzona 06.46 – 07.50
DIT 2309 Bellinzona – Locarno 08.18 – 08.43
2418 Locarno – Zürich 08.47 – 11.51
2425 Zürich – Locarno 14.09 – 17.13
2438 Locarno – Zürich 18.47 – 21.51


Cheers Bruce


AB train derailed in Rorschach

Guerbetaler
 

Today an AB train of the Rorschach-Heiden line derailed while shunting in Rorschach station at the junction of the line from Heiden. Derailment concerned D2 9, the bicycle coach which was between the articulated rack motor coach BDeh 3/6 25 and three open fourwheelers dating back to the opening of the line in 1875.

<http://www.tagblatt.ch/ostschweiz/stgallen/rorschach/tb-ot08/Strecke-Rorschach-Heiden-unterbrochen;art2889,4249002>

The line was closed from about 09:30 until 13:20

Markus, Gürbetal

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