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Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

gordonwis
 

Did many trains use the Nationalbahn, or did they mostly come through Baden?
Hi Andrew,

All trains used the old main line Bern - Burgdorf - Langenthal - Aarburg Oftringen - Olten - Aarau - Schinznach Bad - Brugg - Baden - Wettingen Zurich. I did it many times pre-Heitersberg, and on my first Swiss visit after the opening I boarded a Swiss Express at Zurich for the first time on a Swiss Express, and I wrote in my notes "this *is* train travel".

Fond memories, I was on the way back from my English Midlands mining town's Scout group coach trip to Austria. Despite being only 15 yo I had so much more experience of driving in Europe that I had been the self appointed navigator for the whole road trip! So on the way back I navigated the driver to Museumstrasse alongside Zurich HB and jumped off to take the train to my family in Geneva, leaving the others to go back to the English Midlands in the 53 seater Plaxton Panorama...


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

gordonwis
 

Hi Marcus,

Can I suggest you remove the HO scale bias in the header sentence by adding a few of the main N gauge manufacturers, eg Arnold, Fleischmann, Hobbytrain, HAG, Roco, Märklin, Lima, Wesa, Trix, etc.


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

gordonwis
 

Yes, loads. I myself have two Swiss N gauge layouts


On Tuesday, 20 October 2020, 13:51:04 BST, Andrew Moglestue via groups.io <amogles@...> wrote:


Any other Swiss N modelers out there?


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

gordonwis
 

Especially as somebody outside of Europe, having a resource to discuss how to make my consists as accurate as possible and knowing what goes with what and which models represent which time frame would be a great asset. A lot of my information comes from photos and from videos, but being able to share with others who have similar interests would be a big help.
Agreed.

I, for example, have nigh on 50 years of notebook notes covering Swiss trips, many backed up by photographs.


Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

csipromo
 

I seem to remember travelling Zurich - Baden - Brugg - Aarau - Olten - Burgdorf - Bern. First time was a RBe 4/4. The second time was a Re 4/4II of the first series. From Zurich to Richterswil, it was an Ae 4/7.

I remember my dad pointing out places along the way he had been during his earlier time in Switzerland (1939-48).

Regards

Mike CC


Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

gordonwis
 

Hi Andrew,

All trains used the old main line Bern - Burgdorf - Langenthal - Aarburg Oftringen - Olten - Aarau - Schinznach Bad - Brugg - Baden - Wettingen Zurich. I did it many times pre-Heitersberg, and on my first Swiss visit after the opening I boarded a Swiss Express at Zurich for the first time on a Swiss Express, and I wrote in my notes "this *is* train travel".

Fond memories, I was on the way back from my English Midlands mining town's Scout group coach trip to Austria. Despite being only 15 yo I had so much more experience of driving in Europe that I had been the self appointed navigator for the whole road trip! So on the way back I navigated the driver to Museumstrasse alongside Zurich HB and jumped off to take the train to my family in Geneva, leaving the others to go back to the English Midlands in the 53 seater Plaxton Panorama...


Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

Max Wyss
 

And the worst was the 40 km/h switch at Aarburg-Oftringen… A full length Swiss-Express trainset spent a lot of time there…

Max 



Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

Guerbetaler
 

Thank you all for the answers and propositions. I can now present a solution: I have erected a subgroup of Swissrail
modelling@SwissRail.groups.io

Members of the existing main group SwissRail will not automatically become members of the subgroup. Only those who apply for membership in the subgroup will get messages and can participate.

Anybody applying for membership in the modelling subgroup will also become member of the main group. Individual settings for main and subgroup are independent. You can chose to get all emails from the subgroup but no email from the main group or v/v.

It is recommended to use hashtags for specific brands, e.g. "#HAG". This will allow to further differentiate the settings.

So, anybody interested in the modelling subgroup, please join. I will ask those who IO don't know to tell me their name and the place where they live. Please answer the mail I will send you.

There are two ways to become member of the subgroup:

Go to <https://swissrail.groups.io/g/modelling>
and click "Apply For Membership In This Group"

or send an email to
<modelling+subscribe@SwissRail.groups.io>

Markus, Gürbetal


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Martin Baumann
 

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Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

Martin Baumann
 

Before 31.05.1981 all Zürich-Bern trains ran on the Olten-Luzern line as far as Aarburg-Oftringen and then to Rothrist (the route still taken by local trains) . The "Bornlinie" reduced the Olten-Rothrist distance by 1048m and made it faster as the new line is partly 140 km/h


Re: Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

Guerbetaler
 

Am 20.10.2020 um 14:22 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
Did many trains use the Nationalbahn, or did they mostly come through Baden?
AFAIK no trains used the Nationalbahn. I had never been on that line before the opening of the Heitersberg.

In 1981 - before Taktfahrplan - there was a Städteschnellzug roughly every two hours nonstop Bern - Zürich taking 79 min. About 7 train pairs called at Lenzburg, most of them to/from Biel/Bienne (-Lausanne-Genéve)

All other fast trains still went through Baden. That were 34 fast trains on a weekday, leaving from Zürich HB between 0446 and 2320!

Not too impressing. ;-)

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

john_dmj
 

I would be interested in joining such a group.

Best Regards

John


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

Andrew Moglestue
 

I would be interested in such a group.

I'm not really a hardcore modeler myself. More a collector of rolling stock. I don't have a proper layout to run anything on, and would preferably like to join a club for that.

I have both HO and N gauge stock, but my main scope of interest these last few years is more N gauge.

Any other Swiss N modelers out there?

I also have some Navemo models in HOm gauge and would like to build a portable microlayout for trams.


Zürich - Basel and Zürich Bern before the Heitersberg tunnel

Andrew Moglestue
 

I was recently musing on how the Swiss railway system was before the Heitersberg tunnel was completed.

I guess everything between Zürich and Basel / Bern and further west would have had to come through Wettingen. That is quite difficult to imagine nowadays.

Did many trains use the Nationalbahn, or did they mostly come through Baden?

I sometimes catch the S12 in Wettingen and have observed that one major weakness of the track layout is that trains coming from Baden and going onto tracks 1,2 and 3 need to cross the main line and this sometimes leads to delays.

I wonder if back in the day when there were many more freights needing to be looped, that this would have been a bigger problem.


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

csipromo
 

I was a member of the Swiss Rail Modelling Group a few years back. I think that it would be nice to have a place where we could share our models and learn more about making our models and consists more prototypical.

Given the rise of new brands (LS Models, ACME, Mabar, NME, etc over recent years) and the new focus of Piko/Arwico making Swiss models, encompassing all manufacturers is probably the best way to go.

Especially as somebody outside of Europe, having a resource to discuss how to make my consists as accurate as possible and knowing what goes with what and which models represent which time frame would be a great asset. A lot of my information comes from photos and from videos, but being able to share with others who have similar interests would be a big help.

I look forward to seeing how this develops.

Mike C


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

rupert chambers
 

Yes Please

rgds

Rupert chambers






Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.10.2020 um 15:08 schrieb David:
There was a Yahoo group SwissRailModeling. I haven’t received
anything from them in ages. Would anyone know if that group went by
the wayside?
Last message was mid-2018. I set a message yesterday and it came through. I had erected that group but it had too little bandwidth as the HAG and ROCO groups were more in the centre. Thus I didn't move it to groups.io.

There have been propositions to widen BEMO group to any Swiss modelling theme. Another idea was to make a sub-group of SwissRail. However, I'm not sure if this wouldn't destroy the simplicity we now have with the groups. Does anyone have experience with sub-groups on groups.io? I will test it on a little quite inactive group I inherited.

Markus


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davey
 

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16.47 St. Moritz-Landquart. 19.10.20


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

william lang
 

I will join and I have no preference as to a name!

Bill


Re: New group for Swiss modelling interests?

ian hopkins
 

Hi Markus,This sounds superb, please include me.Many thanks
Ian
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