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Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 23.12.2012 10:59, schrieb Kidger Paul:
Sorry Markus, I got my G and E notations muddled. I suppose a Ge3/3
in Basel would be a feature we could enjoy on Railsim or similar...
Ehm, yes, or on the model railway...

...or maybe on the Basel tram system
A Ge 3/3 is highly unlikely on a tramway system. Because of the curves two axles or bogies are preferable. However, most shunting vehicles on tramway systems were classified Xe or Te. Only in Schaffhausen you could find Ge 2/2 and Ge 4/4 steeple cabs but they handled freight over longer distances than just "shunting".

Markus, Gürbetal


Loetschberg South Ramp Blocked

Don Newing
 

Not only Britain's trains are suffering from the weather at the moment. Bahnonline.ch reports that RE3254 05.16 Brig-Bern struck an avalanche between Hohentenn and Goppenstein this morning and derailed. The line is expected to remain closed until 15.00. A replacement bus service is operating between Goppenstein and Gampel-Steg for connections to/from Brig (that should be exciting!).

Don Newing


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Kidger Paul
 

As far as I remember reading, the collector shoes have been taken
off some time ago (because of weight etc.).
Thank you. Yes that would make sense especially since a diversion onto one of the 'old' routes is highly unlikely. The, of course, there is the very sound principle that it would be something which could go wrong...reliability is proportional to the number of components.
Do you know whether they still have 3000V DC capability ...I imagine that this is likely.

Paul Kidger


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Kidger Paul
 

Sorry Markus, I got my G and E notations muddled. I suppose a Ge3/3 in Basel would be a feature we could enjoy on Railsim or similar...or maybe on the Basel tram system

Paul Kidger


Re: BBC Great Continental Railway Journeys

ryanlove222
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Moglestue <amogles@...> wrote:

I've only just managed to watch this program, which is why I am
only now entering the discussion.

Actually, i don't see what all the fuss is about. I thought it was
a strikingly good programme, well above most of what the BBC does
these days and no doubt a great advertisement for bringing railfans
to Switzerland.

Of course not everything was strictly speaking correct and some
rather "normal" things got praised above their value, and not all
the footage was filmed where it was claimed to have been filmd. But
one the whole these mistakes were more for pedants to point out and
nothing was seriously misrepresented. On the contrary, the program
accurately portrays Switzerland and was very well put together.
Thanks for letting me know it was on. I to have only just managed to watch all 5. Have to agree with the comments regarding the coverage of the RHB and the mix up of the Crocs. Still, the swiss eposode was by far the best. Would have been nice to see some of the line up to StMoritz as well as some of the Lotchburg as well. Maybe next time.

Ryan
(Melbourne Australia)


Ge 4/4 I again...

OL.Guerbetal
 

The sledge train Bergün–Preda is once again and against all predictions and plans ... in the hands of Ge 4/4 I 605 with BDt 1723.

The already rebuilt BDt 1721 and 1722 are used for the sports trains Klosters–Davos with Ge 4/4 II and two EW II.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 22.12.2012 11:56, schrieb Paul:
Yes I agree, whatever system is used across a voltage change, there
will have to be some form of interruption of the current to stop a
surge when the new current is encountered. Then there is a secondary
problem of pantograph compatibility with the different national
systems.
French ac catenary is designed for small collector shoes. Remember that RBDe 562 only have one pantograph. TGV run eith the French ac pantograph in Switzerland.

I guess that the Ge3/3 shunters had 'pans' suitable for low speed
work around the station area of both systems.
I really doubt about this. I don't think that an RhB locomotive ever shunted in Basel.... LOL

Ee 3/3 II and IV have the Swiss standard width of 1450 mm and the catenary of Swiss border stations is designed for this.

In the UK, some of the early overhead systems were at 6.25kV 50Hz,
where it was considered that clearances were too small for the full
25 kV.
Likewise the Gotthard tunnel was fed with 7.5 kV between 13.9.1920 and 29.5.1921. Be 4/6 12303-28 were fitted with a switch for this.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Max Wyss
 

All of these 6.25 kV areas have now been eliminated and of course, even the Eurostar is now all 25kV. Im not sure whether the Eurosar still have the 750V DC collector shoes, just in case a diversion is necessary.
As far as I remember reading, the collector shoes have been taken off
some time ago (because of weight etc.).

Max.


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Kidger Paul
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Guerbetaler <muesche2-swissrail@...> wrote:

Am 21.12.2012 12:04, schrieb Kidger Paul:
Does this mean that services such as the S1 will now again be able
to run through Basel.
Yes, it means that they will again be /able/ to run through. But I
don't know, if they /will/ run through again.

Thanks Markus

Yes I agree, whatever system is used across a voltage change, there will have to be some form of interruption of the current to stop a surge when the new current is encountered. Then there is a secondary problem of pantograph compatibility with the different national systems. I guess that the Ge3/3 shunters had 'pans' suitable for low speed work around the station area of both systems.
In the UK, some of the early overhead systems were at 6.25kV 50Hz, where it was considered that clearances were too small for the full 25 kV. There were trackside magnetic switches to automatically switch off the high tension, if the driver had failed to do it. Selection was then by an alternative tapping on the transformer. In the early days of the Glasgow electrification , there were a couple of accidents where the incorrect voltage found its way onto the transformer and explosions occurred, at least one of which was fatal.
All of these 6.25 kV areas have now been eliminated and of course, even the Eurostar is now all 25kV. Im not sure whether the Eurosar still have the 750V DC collector shoes, just in case a diversion is necessary.
Paul Kidger


Re: Preserved coaches repatriated to Switzerland

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.12.2012 04:59, schrieb Dave Edmondston:
Does anything use that line currently? I've wondered about the state
of it when I've driven over the parallel bridge to Stein-am-Rhein.
Always meant to look but never had the time.
<http://ves.wylandnet.ch/bilder/betrieb.html>

Timetable for 2013 hasn't been published yet.

Markus, G�rbetal


Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.12.2012 12:04, schrieb Kidger Paul:
Does this mean that services such as the S1 will now again be able
to run through Basel.
Yes, it means that they will again be /able/ to run through. But I
don't know, if they /will/ run through again.

Do I remember correctly that before the FLIRTs were introduced, this
service did run through to Mulhouse.
Yes that's right. They ran with RBDe 562. Then, timetables in Switzerland were set up for FLIRTs, but the FLIRTs not allowed into France. So the FLIRTs took over the Swiss part and RBDe 562 continued to run the 25 kV part.

I know that we have discussed this before, but what is the procedure
for current changeover. I have seen the 15 and 25 indicators over
Basel 'through' platform No 3. I assume that the trains must stop,
isolate the transformer and drop the pantograph, change transformer
primary tappings, wait for the voltage indicator to change, raise
maybe a different pantograph, re energise the transformer and ready
to go. Do you know if the rolling stock has protection facilities to
guard against incorrect high tension systems being selected. 25 kV
and 15kV is a lot less likely to be catastrophic than, for example
the Bernina through trains with 11 kV AC and 1000 V DC on the centre
'through' platform at Pontresina and I presume certain 'exchange'
tracks at St Moritz.
Current changeover is different depending on the type of motive power. RAe TEE II had to lower the pantograph, Ee 3/3 II and Ee 3/3 IV were set up to run over the double system isolation with pantograph up but main switch off. System was then selected automatically. I'm not familiar with the type of system switch of the FLIRTs but I remember that FLIRT 521 011 was made going under 25 kV in 2005 without a change of transformer.

Markus, Gürbetal


RBe set working Zürich-Bern

Martin Baumann
 

Train 2040 1958 Zürich HB-Bern 540 079 + 540 035 this evening


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

Martin Baumann
 

11463 (610 463) 11473 11479 WITHDRAWN TODAY

11501 WAITING FOR ATTENTION TO WHEELFLATS

11404 AWAITING SCRAP AT MÜNCHENSTEIN


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

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RBL 10.30 today Friday 21/12 

Warm in the depot area awaiting use:
11427, 11470, 11515 und 11520 

In the 'parking roads' a UID green lok, also Warm

Stopped and cold in the storage roads Dietikon end 3 green loks awaiting their fate:

11473, 11479 and 11501

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Re: FLIRT France now allowed in France...

Kidger Paul
 

Markus
 
Does this mean that services such as the S1 will now again be able to run through Basel.  Do I remember correctly that before the FLIRTs were introduced, this service did run through to Mulhouse.
I know that we have discussed this before, but what is the procedure for current changeover. I have seen the 15 and 25 indicators over Basel 'through' platform No 3. I assume that the trains must stop, isolate the transformer and drop the pantograph, change transformer primary tappings, wait for the voltage indicator to change, raise maybe a different pantograph, re energise the transformer and ready to go. Do you know if the rolling stock has protection facilities to guard against incorrect high tension systems being selected. 25 kV and 15kV is a lot less likely to be catastrophic than, for example the Bernina through trains with 11 kV AC and 1000 V DC on the centre 'through' platform at Pontresina and I presume certain 'exchange' tracks at St Moritz.
 
Paul Kidger


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

Maybe the road at Däniken really is warm (next to the post building?)
 
Presumably the arrival of the Twindexx stock will cause a new change round from 2014. Twindexx will presumably release a batch of Re460 - maybe some of them will become Cargo loks again. Of course relating to my previous post - of SBB stopped being so International the there would be enough 421s, 482s etc to replace the Ae6/6 for good!


Re: Preserved coaches repatriated to Switzerland

Dave Edmondston <davee@...>
 

On 20 Dec 2012, at 21:49, martinbaumann112 <martin98baumann@outlook.com> wrote:

Etzwilen
Does anything use that line currently? I've wondered about the state of it when I've driven over the parallel bridge to Stein-am-Rhein. Always meant to look but never had the time. There's always a pile of (withdrawn?) coaching stock hanging about at the south end.

Cheers,
Dave


Preserved coaches repatriated to Switzerland

Martin Baumann
 

5 ex SBB coaches have been returned to Switzerland by a new society associated with the Etzwillen-Singen line. They were in use on the SHM preserved line in Holland. Four are former Seetal line coaches built by SWS in 1949 or 1950 and the other is a Leichtstahlwagen restaurant car built by SWS in 1951. They were renumbered 61 to 65 by SHM:

61 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 019 (7720)
62 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 010 (7711)
63 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 009 (7710)
64 ex SBB 50 85 28-03 018 (7719)

65 ex SBB 50 85 88-33 108 (10119)

Martin Baumann


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

bs177@...
 

--- In SwissRail@yahoogroups.com, Gordon Wiseman <gordonwis@...> wrote:
419, 420, 424 488 were down to go to Däniken for store: status " Reserve für Herbstvekehr" (reserve for Autumn workings)
Can we expect a number of Re 4/4 (420 & 430) to transfer across from Passenger to Cargo now that class 511 have taken over in the South West?

One assumes also reading between the lines that a number of 610's will be retained (at Daniken?) in warm storage until the next sugar beet season after which there will be more Re4/4's available and the scrapman calls.

Seasons greetings to all

Bruce


Re: Ae 6/6 changes

gordonwis
 

Today’s Ae6/6 sightings (Dec 20)
11404 out of use at Basel GB, but 11502 was in use at Basel RB.
610 486 aggregates train at Affoltern am Albis.
419, 420, 424 488 were down to go to Däniken for store: status " Reserve für Herbstvekehr" (reserve for Autumn workings)
Having been hard at work for  2 -3 days in the new t/t  11473 was stopped today 20/12. Conversely 11427 suffered a compressor problem but has repaired and is available for use again.
Additional sighting from Monday 17/12:
11485 train 68654 at Kirchberg (BLS Burgdorf – Solothurn),

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