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Re: Slip coaches in Switzerland?

Max Wyss
 

It could be that Austria (or the k.u.k. predecessors) had this practice.

Or, I fell for a false friend, and the Austrian "Schleuderwagen" is just a car uncoupled at a stop.

The best known British use of slip coaches was most likely the GWR main line, which had quite a few branch lines; The slip coaches provided a fast one-seat service to several places which otherwise would not have been possible. Also note that getting to the holiday spot (such as Torquay) quickly was more important than getting back to London. So, the return service was pretty much the typical "Kurswagen" ritual.




Re: Slip coaches in Switzerland?

George Raymond
 

This is less spectacular than slip coaches, but my first time in Martigny in 1973, I saw station staff uncouple what I think was a postal carriage/van from the rear end of a through train during its stop. After the train was gone, a shunting locomotive came and retrieved the carriage.

George


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Re: Singen Kiss

Andy Micklethwaite
 

I saw 502 003 and 014 in IC1 713, photo attached near Palézieux.
My wife said that it look like liquorice allsorts (English confectionery)
Andy Mick.


Re: MGB / RhB diagrams?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 05.07.2020 um 13:49 schrieb Mark Torkington:
Please forgive the amateur query, but does anyone have loco diagrams for the MGB please? Failing that is there any kind of summary of MGB hauled turns or a helpful site (like the Reisezuege site) listing compositions etc?
Infos are available but be aware that MGB often needs to switch consists. HGe-push-pull, Deh-push-pull and Komet-EMU are largely interchangeable. HGe and Deh 21-24 in pulled consists for Regios and freights are also interchangeable. Only GEX and car shuttles are more or less clearly the work of HGe, the latter with a possible show-up of the remaining Ge 4/4. At the moment, it seems that this loco doesn't work. It is reported that car shuttles are not working due a technical defect. Ge 4/4 81 was seen in Realp with a car shuttle train.

Also whilst I've got the RhB winter diagrams does anyone have this summers diagrams in an easily accessible format?
been here?
<https://www.rhbclub.ch/de/saisonale-lokdienste>


And finally, are timetables for either network available online in pdf format? Everything seems to redirect to the SBB journey planner but is there any old school style timetables of specific lines?
Tried this?
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/welcome.html>

Like graphic timetables?
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/archives/train-graphs.html>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Slip coaches in Switzerland?

Vincent LE BIHAN
 

Outside the United Kingdom, this practice was at least used in France.  Some trains from Paris to Le Havre had coaches for St-Valéry-en-Caux, Fécamp and Étretat that were uncoupled before the bifurcation of Bréauté : http://roland.arzul.pagesperso-orange.fr/exploitation/voiture_directe.htm


 

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Le dim. 5 juil. 2020 à 14:17, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...> a écrit :
Am 05.07.2020 um 07:43 schrieb jtatum43:
> Recently I saw a post about the old practice (ended in 1960) in the
> U.K. of having "slip coaches" on some trains to save station time.
> The slip coach would be a carriage on the end of the train which was
> uncoupled at speed to roll into a station on its on.  Has there ever
> been such a practice in Switzerland?

I'm not aware of such a practice anywhere in the world, except the UK.
I'm quite sure it never existed in Switzerland, for several reasons:

The practice is the more efficient the faster a train can go. For a long
time Switzerland didn't have speeds in the range that you fond in the
UK. Early electric locomotives reached 100 km/h or a maximum of 110.
Only the Re 4/4 I (1945) brought that up to 125 and the Re 4/4 II (1964)
to 140.

Electric locomotives accelerate faster than steam engines. Loss of time
to reach 110 km/h again  with an electric locomotive is not that much as
a to reach again 160 with a steam engine.

The practice only helps in one direction and only as destination. E.g. a
coach dropped in Aarau from a Zürich - Olten train only helps passengers
Zürich - Aarau. It doesn't help for
- Aarau - Olten
- Aarau - Zürich
- Olten - Aarau (however, this could be dropped from Olten - Zürich).

Markus, Gürbetal




MGB / RhB diagrams?

Mark Torkington
 

Please forgive the amateur query, but does anyone have loco diagrams for the MGB please? Failing that is there any kind of summary of MGB hauled turns or a helpful site (like the Reisezuege site) listing compositions etc?   

Also whilst I've got the RhB winter diagrams does anyone have this summers diagrams in an easily accessible format? 

And finally, are timetables for either network available online in pdf format? Everything seems to redirect to the SBB journey planner but is there any old school style timetables of specific lines? 

Thanks

Mark


Re: Slip coaches in Switzerland?

Andrew Moglestue
 

I've never come across any mentions of the practice in Switzerland.

It worked well in Britain at the time because the main flow of traffic was between London and provincial cities, with traffic between the cities being much less significant.

Switzerland doesn't have such a structure, in which traffic to or from one city dwarfs all the rest. If say an express from Geneve to Zürich were to have slipped coaches at Lausanne and some more at Fribourg, that might have shaved a couple of minutes off the overall running time between the end points, but at the huge expense of making it much more difficult to get from, say, Lausanne to Fribourg.

Furthermore, with the early move to electrification of main lines, acceleration improved as compared to steam, and thus the penalty of making stops was much lessened.


Re: Slip coaches in Switzerland?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 05.07.2020 um 07:43 schrieb jtatum43:
Recently I saw a post about the old practice (ended in 1960) in the
U.K. of having "slip coaches" on some trains to save station time.
The slip coach would be a carriage on the end of the train which was
uncoupled at speed to roll into a station on its on. Has there ever
been such a practice in Switzerland?
I'm not aware of such a practice anywhere in the world, except the UK. I'm quite sure it never existed in Switzerland, for several reasons:

The practice is the more efficient the faster a train can go. For a long time Switzerland didn't have speeds in the range that you fond in the UK. Early electric locomotives reached 100 km/h or a maximum of 110. Only the Re 4/4 I (1945) brought that up to 125 and the Re 4/4 II (1964) to 140.

Electric locomotives accelerate faster than steam engines. Loss of time to reach 110 km/h again with an electric locomotive is not that much as a to reach again 160 with a steam engine.

The practice only helps in one direction and only as destination. E.g. a coach dropped in Aarau from a Zürich - Olten train only helps passengers Zürich - Aarau. It doesn't help for
- Aarau - Olten
- Aarau - Zürich
- Olten - Aarau (however, this could be dropped from Olten - Zürich).

Markus, Gürbetal


Slip coaches in Switzerland?

jtatum43
 

Recently I saw a post about the old practice (ended in 1960) in the U.K. of having "slip coaches" on some trains to save station time. The slip coach would be a carriage on the end of the train which was uncoupled at speed to roll into a station on its on. Has there ever been such a practice in Switzerland? Thanks in advance.

Jim Tatum
Hendersonville, North Carolina


Re: Singen Kiss

Guerbetaler
 

Am 04.07.2020 um 22:05 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
502s are still 'oficially' only on Basel - Zürich - Chur.
No, they are now officially also on Geneève - St. Gallen.
I saw 502 003 and 014 in IC1 713, photo attached near Palézieux.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 04.07.2020 um 17:04 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The damaged loco is 105
You forgot one word:

The damaged loco is probably 105


Re: Singen Kiss

gordonwis
 

On Saturday, 4 July 2020, 17:37:07 BST, Gbgen <gbgen@hotmail.com> wrote:
A posting to a German forum quotes an SBB Kiss as having arrived at Singen on IC488, returning on IC485 today, 04/07.
I do hope that is is a total one-off and not a sign of things to come.
No doubt it is a sign of things to come, but for the time being if you avoid Zurich - Chur (and to some extent Basel - Zurich) you should be OK


Re: Singen Kiss

gordonwis
 

On Saturday, 4 July 2020, 19:49:53 BST, csipromo via groups.io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I guess that you could check reisezuege.ch to see which trains normally are RABe 502s. Personally, I like the KISS trains.
Reisezuge.ch is not generally totally up to date with a 'moving feast' like when new trains are gradually being introduced, so unlikely to be the 'horse's mouth'. 502s are still 'oficially' only on Basel - Zürich - Chur.


Re: SBB Cargo Re6/6 locomotive colors

gordonwis
 

Agree with all responses so far. Re6/6 still be outshopped in full Cargo livery - including quite a few new to the livery


Re: Singen Kiss

csipromo
 

I guess that you could check reisezuege.ch to see which trains normally are RABe 502s. Personally, I like the KISS trains.

Regards

Mike C


Singen Kiss

Gbgen
 

A posting to a German forum quotes an SBB Kiss as having arrived at Singen on IC488, returning on IC485 today, 04/07.
I do hope that is is a total one-off and not a sign of things to come.

Whilst here, may I ask if anyone has a list please of which trains on IC3 Basel Chur are booked for 502s? Needed for avoidance purposes.


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Martin Baumann
 

The damaged loco is 105


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.07.2020 um 20:30 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Damage to rolling stock seems to be quite important
Looking at this picture, I'm afraid that B 4213 can't be repaired. Perhaps the bogies can be reused...

<http://www.bahnonline.ch/bo/71595/mgb-kollision-zweier-zuege-im-tunnel-nahe-oberwald-vs.htm>

It was also reported that an employee of MGB had been brought to Sion hospital by helicopter. Maybe this was the driver in the HGe, maybe this was the conductor of the Regio. The driver of the Regio sat on the left side and the train was hit on the right side.

Markus


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.07.2020 um 12:07 schrieb Martin Baumann:
A local train and a car shuttle have collided in a tunnel near
Oberwald. First reports indicate there are several casualties. A
picture at blick.ch shows a HGe 4/4 II has hit the side of B 4213
Damage to rolling stock seems to be quite important but luckily passengers didn't suffer heavy injuries. The regional train is desribed as having had five coaches, which would be a standard consist of the type Deh - B 4273-88 - B 4211-21 - ABt 4151-59/81-82 - B 4273-88 - ABt 4151-59/93/95

In another picture one can see that the leading ABt is also damaged. Thus I'm afraid that 4 coaches of the Region are badly damaged.

<https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/mehrere-passagiere-verletzt-zwei-zuege-der-matterhorn-gotthard-bahn-kollidiert-id15968438.html>


Markus, Gürbetal


Serious accident on MGB

Martin Baumann
 

A local train and a car shuttle have collided in a tunnel near Oberwald. First reports indicate there are several casualties.

A picture at blick.ch shows a HGe 4/4 II has hit the side of B 4213

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