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Re: Meter gauge Stadler Electro-Diesels, Diesels and Battery-Electrics

John Beaulieu
 

Who did the styling on those beauties, Pininfarina?

John Beaulieu


Re: Engadin inquiry

Martin Baumann
 

These trains are now RE 17xx

for example 11:44 Disentis to Scuol 15:15 RE 1736 which is a Ge 4/4 II (611 class)

Booked power for each train can be found at

https://www.rhb.ch/fr/company/treasure-trove-for-railway-fans/locomotive-allocations


Re: Meter gauge Stadler Electro-Diesels, Diesels and Battery-Electrics

Martin Baumann
 

The two Appenzellerbahn locos were delivered today:

https://www.facebook.com/AppenzellerBahnen/photos/a.183522595063947/2652995111450004/?type=3&theater

(no login needed)


Engadin inquiry

jpnoiville
 

Hello to all
I am planning a March visit on the Engadin line. I believe that the RE 12xx (Disentis-) Landquart - Scuol Tarasp are still loco hauled. Is this right ? Thanks in advance for any information
Best regards
Jean-Philippe

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Re: Today’s gen 12/12/2019

Keith Hookham
 

Many thanks Markus. Yes it was 44. Must remember to make notes and not rely on memory. D’oh.

Cheers Keith.


Re: Today’s gen 12/12/2019

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.12.2019 um 21:01 schrieb Keith Hookham:
Also noted unit 43 at Gossau. Not sure if it is there for a leak
service or just stored?
43 is in France. This was either 44 or 45. It's stored. AB hasn't yet
decided what it will be: Scrap or Reserve

Frauenfeld - Wil .... do they still have units 16 & 17 as I didn’t
see them or have they been scrapped?
scrapped, both. Some parts have gone to ASM

Also no sign of the units obtained from MVR 7001-7004.
became 511, 513, 512 and MIB 13
509 and 510 are new units
508 was only a middle part but had been used for spares for years. Must be scrapped now. Some units are being modernized and are not on ASM tracks.

Markus, Gürbetal


Today’s gen 12/12/2019

Keith Hookham
 

Sorry but been unit photing for Spotlog & bashing today so not much gen.
However not knowing it was the last day today of the loco hauled service I was lucky enough to do again 456092/094 on 07.39 departure from Luzern. For completeness these are my observations which was purely because I was not aware the other hauled service had finished.

07.39 456092-094 790.4
08.39 526102 790.6
09.39 526105 790.1
10.39 526101 790.5

Bailed at Herisau where I saw Appenzeller Bahn lok 1 in the shed pan down but attached to 2 coaches. Does it still get used? The coaches were however blocking in AB1.
Also noted unit 43 at Gossau. Not sure if it is there for a leak service or just stored?

EC30195 13.02 Zürich - München 421 393.

This afternoon I decided to cover the Frauenfeld - Wil service which have “new” units compared to the last time I was there. Managed to score 7001, 7002 & 7003. There was also one unit in the shed at Wil. Not sure where the other one was. Also do they still have units 16 & 17 as I didn’t see them or have they been scrapped?

After doing the line I headed over to cover the BTI which I have only done once and that was over 10 years ago. This time I only went from Biel as far as Täuffelen and sampled the following. 503, 504, 505, 510, 511, 512 & 513. At Täuffelen in the works were 502 & 509 together with 542 & outside was 523. So no sign of 501, 506, 507 & 508(does 508 exist?). Where would these be stabled? Also no sign of the units obtained from MVR 7001-7004. Or have they been renumber to 510-513? Sorry but my knowledge of the BTI is not very good.

Cheers Keith.


Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.12.2019 um 02:38 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
Can't see it there sorry
Still searching the Zugsgattungsliste? Again:

The Zugsgattungslist is part of the PDF
"Die ganze Welt des öffentlichen Verkehrs"
but isn't available in English. Go to
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/de/archiv/erklaerungen.html>
You will get a PDF named "oev.pdf" Go to page 40 of this PDF where the Zuggattungsliste starts.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Last old VAE

David Prior
 

On 12 Dec 2019, at 15:35, Martin Baumann <martin98baumann@outlook.com> wrote:
Bahnforum reports that use of the Revvivio sets ends today with the last trains being
2580 15:03 St Gallen-Luzern 17:21
2587 17:39 Luzern-St Gallen 19:56
Went for it today on the assumption it could be the last one (until a substitution?) and if anyone’s interested the full formation, had on 2570 10:03 St.Gallen-Luzern, was :

Luzern end
456 094
50 85 20-35 728-8
50 85 20-35 721-3
50 85 18-35 714-2
50 85 85-35 747-0
50 85 20-35 729-6
50 85 20-35 735-3
50 85 18-35 711-8
456 092
St Gallen end


Re: Leman Express

Martin Baumann
 

The December Eisenbahn Amateur reports that Swiss tickets such as the GA will be valid as far as Annemasse on the new line.


Last old VAE

Martin Baumann
 

Bahnforum reports that use of the Revvivio sets ends today with the last trains being

2580 15:03 St Gallen-Luzern 17:21

2587 17:39 Luzern-St Gallen 19:56


Re: Cross-border capacity

Krist van Besien
 

On Dec 11, 2019, 21:35 +0100, George Raymond <geor@bluewin.ch>, wrote:
I do not require direct trains. They could have just kept the short cross platform connection in Basel between the TGV and the IC to Interlaken.
In this case it is entirely the SBB’s fault, for chaning the schedule on the Basel - Bern…
Krist
In the other direction, a connection time of just a few minutes to a TGV in Basel (for example) is risky. I try to leave a connection time of at least a half hour.

If a late SBB train made me miss my TGV in Basel, I don't know what would happen if I went into the Basel SBB ticket office, showed my SNCF online TGV ticket on my mobile phone, and tried to get a replacement ticket on a TGV two hours later. (Perhaps someone who has done this can comment.)

A shorter connection time in Mulhouse or Strasbourg to a Paris-bound TGV is okay, because in those cities only SNCF is involved if I miss the connection and I know from experience the SNCF ticket office will take care of me.
I’ve done Interlaken - Paris 6 times this year. Each time the IC was on time, and the connection worked.

When the direct Bern - Paris was still running I took it once. When it arrived in Basel it waited there for a delayed IC from Bern, and left for Paris a few minutes late. That is when I decided that the direct train (which was actually slower) was pointless, and I think that most Swiss choose the faster IC+TGV combination.
Which is why I could understand SBB withdrawing the direct Bern - Paris TGV. With the short transfer in Basel you have 6 fast connections to Paris per day.

But now they broke that…

One of the things I do when travelling internationally on e-tickets is to print out the tickets on paper. So the ticket office staff has something they can put a HOTNAT stamp on. But I did not need to test this so far.

And anyway, changing to a TGV Lyria train you are not changing from SBB to SNCF, you are changing from SBB to SBB. SBB is on of the operators listed on your ticket, even for Basel - Paris tickets.

Krist


Re: Timetable 2020

gordonwis
 

Can't see it there sorry


Re: Cross-border capacity

George Raymond
 

I do not require direct trains. They could have just kept the short cross platform connection in Basel between the TGV and the IC to Interlaken.
In this case it is entirely the SBB’s fault, for chaning the schedule on the Basel - Bern…
Krist
In the other direction, a connection time of just a few minutes to a TGV in Basel (for example) is risky. I try to leave a connection time of at least a half hour.

If a late SBB train made me miss my TGV in Basel, I don't know what would happen if I went into the Basel SBB ticket office, showed my SNCF online TGV ticket on my mobile phone, and tried to get a replacement ticket on a TGV two hours later. (Perhaps someone who has done this can comment.)

A shorter connection time in Mulhouse or Strasbourg to a Paris-bound TGV is okay, because in those cities only SNCF is involved if I miss the connection and I know from experience the SNCF ticket office will take care of me.

George


Re: Today’s Gen. 11/12/201@

Guerbetaler
 

Am 11.12.2019 um 20:52 schrieb Keith Hookham:
ZB 101963 stables at Meiringen on what appeared to be a stand-by set
in case of failures?
This consist used to replace the EMU in the Regios once a week for some hours. Maybe there are now enough EMUs so that the loco-push-pull set is reserve only.

But more EMUs are to come.

Markus, Gürbetal


RBS 11/12/2019

Keith Hookham
 

Forgot to put on previous message that I as had my final farewell ride on 56 & 57 which worked S7 7154 15.30 Worb Dorf - Bern & 16.00 return.

Cheers Keith.


Today’s Gen. 11/12/201@

Keith Hookham
 

Not too much to report today as just had a ride out and about.
460066 IR2512 08.00 Luzern - Genèva Aéroport.
MOB 8001 IR2122 11.44 Montreux - Zweisimmen
MOB 6005 IR2115 10.25 Zweisimmen - Montreux
BLS 501 RE4072 13.39 Zweisimmen - Interlaken Ost
BLS 504 RE4073 13.08 Interlaken Ost - Zweisimmen
ZB 101963 stables at Meiringen on what appeared to be a stand-by set in case of failures?
ZB 101961 IR2961 07.02 Engelberg - Luzern

For the cart fans, viewed departing Luzern tonight was 501010 with a n other on IC688 17.34 Lugano - Basel.
Also forgot to mention that when I was at Rorschach yesterday 526301 & 526302 were coupled up and under test.

Cheers Keith.


Re: Cross-border capacity

Krist van Besien
 

I do not require direct trains. They could have just kept the short cross platform connection in Basel between the TGV and the IC to Interlaken.
In this case it is entirely the SBB’s fault, for chaning the schedule on the Basel - Bern…

Krist

On Dec 11, 2019, 19:54 +0100, Max Wyss <max@prodok.com>, wrote:
Well, it looks as if the "large part of Switzerland" does not provide
sufficient market volume to justify direct trains…

But, then, there is SNCF… 'nuff said…

Max
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 13:22, Krist van Besien <krist.vanbesien@gmail.com>
wrote:

Nothing in there of course on SBB making trips to Paris half an hour
longer for a large part of Switzerland…


Re: Cross-border capacity

Max Wyss
 

Well, it looks as if the "large part of Switzerland" does not provide
sufficient market volume to justify direct trains…

But, then, there is SNCF… 'nuff said…

Max
__________________________


On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 13:22, Krist van Besien <krist.vanbesien@gmail.com>
wrote:

Nothing in there of course on SBB making trips to Paris half an hour
longer for a large part of Switzerland…


Re: Cross-border capacity

Krist van Besien
 

Nothing in there of course on SBB making trips to Paris half an hour longer for a large part of Switzerland…

On Dec 11, 2019, 13:04 +0100, Chris Wood via Groups.Io <chris_j_wood=yahoo.com@groups.io>, wrote:
Interesting article on the RailwayGazette web site on SBB's plans to increase capacity on cross-border routes to France, Germany and Italy:

https://www.railwaygazette.com/passenger/sbb-adds-cross-border-capacity/55245.article


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