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Re: RhB rolling stock details

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@...>
> I know that there are the Schweers and Wall books which
> give details of the RhB fleet numbers. But at £30+
> each (for four books) this is a bit steep, does anyone
> know of a list of the rolling stock numbers that is a
> bit cheaper? I already have the set of three RhB books
> but they are rather dated. There have been a fair
> number of additions since then.

What "three RhB books" do you have? There are so many! Are you just interested in number-lists? RhB Rolling stock underwent important changes in the last years.

> I also have a bit of a challenge. I have managed to
> travel on an ICE and a Pendolino in Switzerland on the
> same day. Anyone figure out how to include a TGV as
> well? Where would you start from? how far could you
> go? Mind, the travel must all be in Switzerland.
 
The only possibility to travel with TGV within Switzerland is Zürich - Bern - Neuchâtel. ICE goes Basel - Zürich and Basel - Bern - Interlaken, ICE-T Schaffhausen - Zürich, Cisalpino goes Basel - Bern - Brig, Lausanne - Brig and Schaffhausen - Zürich - Chiasso.
TGV Zürich - Bern: 07.15/08.30, B-15.45/16.57
TGV Bern - Zürich: B-12.33/13.45, 21.25/22.42
B- is daily except Saturday
CIS Basel - Bern 06.17/07.24
CIS Bern - Basel 20.32/21.41
ICE Basel - Bern 15.04/16.11
ICE Bern - Basel 09.49/10.56
ICE Zürich - Basel 05.57/07.00, 0757/08.52, 11.57/12.52
ICE Basel - Zürich 09.48/10.43, 19.08/20.03, 21.01/22.03
CIS Schaffhausen - Zürich 12.09/12.47, 18.09/18.47
CIS Zürich - Schaffhausen 11.13/11.50, 15.13/15.50
ICE-T Schaffhausen - Zürich 10.09/10.50, 14.09/14.50, 20.09/20.50
ICE-T Zürich - Schaffhausen 07.13/07.50, 13.10/13.50, 19.10/19.50
 
Not on Saturday, you can get around with TGV, CIS and both types of ICE coming to Switzerland: start with ICE from Basel 09.48, arrive in Zürich 10.43, take CIS 11.13, arrive 11.50 in Schaffhausen, nice town/lunch, start with ICE-T 14.09, arrive Zürich 14.50, take TGV 15.45, arrive Bern 16.57, return with any train.
 
Markus


Re: Fire in a tunnel

Andy Micklethwaite <andy@...>
 

At 11:50 18/11/00 -0000, you wrote:
From: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
Subject: Re: [SBB] Fire in a tunnel

The federal office of transport will soon release a report about tunnel
security and improvements necessary.
AFAIK the Sunegga (Zermatt) and MetroAlpin (Saas Fee) are similar to
Kaprun. Certainly there's a tremendous chimney effect at Sunegga - the
double doors barely contain it. Are these funiculars operating at present?
As the subject has now dropped out of the English media, has a cause for
the Kaprun fire been found yet?
Regards, Andy.


Re: Kombirail

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "John Whitby" <john.p.whitby@lineone.net>
Do Migros still use Kombirail units? I am attempting to model the
Migros/SBB units in n-scale and would like to obtain
information/photos. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Best wishes
Last week I saw one of the ten Migros units in Olten Hammer. They are still
in use.
Markus Giger


Winter

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Sunday, Nov, 19
Because of heavy snowfall, FO Oberalp is closed Dieni - Andermatt. Passengers of Glacier Express have to travel via Zürich. The line is expected to reopen tomorrow.
Because of floods, RhB Bernina had to be closed between Cadera and Poschiavo. November traffic can be assured with minibusses.
On Friday, SBB had to close Gotthard for some hours, after a tree fell under the heavy snow.
 
Markus Giger


Re: Fire in a tunnel

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Andy Micklethwaite"
AFAIK the Sunegga (Zermatt) and MetroAlpin (Saas Fee) are similar to
Kaprun. Certainly there's a tremendous chimney effect at Sunegga - the
double doors barely contain it. Are these funiculars operating at present?
As the subject has now dropped out of the English media, has a cause for
the Kaprun fire been found yet?
Sunegga and MetroAlpin are working. They are much shorter (1.5 and 1.4 km)
than Kaprun (4 km). And they are completely in Tunnel (Kaprun starts with a
bridge and then has a tunnel of more than 3 km).
A cause for the fire in Kaprun is not yet found and it seems, that it will
take quite a long time to find it out. Experts make a close comparison
between the burned out train set and the still existing one.
Kaprun mamagement said, they thought about closing the funicular forever.
I think, one thing is now known to the public: in case of fire in a tunnel,
walk down, not up! Those who went down, survived.

Markus Giger


Fw: Re 4/4"

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

It is Swiss-Express painted Re 4/4" 11108, one of the three first Re 4/4" to get a single-arm pantograph (for trials) in 1967/68, that now got an 'old' standard pathograph again.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. November 2000 01:15
Betreff: Re: [SwissRail] Re 4/4"

One of the Swis-Express Re 4/4" recently got a standard pantograph instead of single arm. Light was bad and distance high, so I am not sure it was 11106 or 11108 or ...
Tell you when I meet again!
Markus Giger


SLM Buch

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

EIN SLM-Buch von 1984 (VRS) mit der gesamten Lieferliste 1 bis 5310 (plus viele Fotos) ist für CHF 55.00 plus Porto bei einem Antiquar verfügbar. Interessenten melden sich schnellstmöglich bei mir.
 
One SLM book of 1984 (VRS) with complete delivery list of factory numbers 1 to 5310 plus lots of pictures, is available second hand at CHF 55.00 plus postage. Fast reaction necessary...
 
Markus Giger


Re: RhB rolling stock details

glenn allen
 

The four books I am talking about are the ones by
Scheers and Wall and stcoked by several people in
England. I am more interested in the changes since
they were produced, i.e. thenlast twelve months, the
RhB kindly gave me details of the Vereina stock but
there have been a number of changes, especially stock
going into service use. I only have a few of these
details and would welcome other observations.
--- Eljas P�lh� <poelhoe@telia.com> wrote:
Good books with RhB details include:

Taschenlexicon Triebfahrzeuge der Schweiz by Theo
Stolz, pub. Minirex 1999,
ISBN 3-907 014-11-1, pocket size, 473 pages, photo
and technical details of
all public railways locomotives and railcars (not
departmental vehicles). If
you are from UK, try Ian Allan bookshop or Platform
5 (both have advertised
it).

If you want only RhB, a German magazine, Eisenbahn
Journal, has published
four specials for RhB: Die RhB, Teil 1 ... 4, cover
price in Germany DM
22.80, each 100 pages with both colour and
historical b/w photos, some
roster details, better on line details. The latest
has ISBN 3-89610-063-7
and covers Landquart-Klosters-Davos-Filisur and
Vereina. All are A4 size,
soft cover (ie. like magazines)

Platform 5 has also a Swiss handbook: Swiss
Railways. Locomotives Railcars &
Trams by Chris Appleby, ISBN 1872524907. Lists every
single unit number by
each railway, many colour and b/w photos. Excellent
value at its cover price
GBP 13.50.

Eljas P�lh�


From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: SwissRail@egroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:37 -0800 (PST)
To: SwissRail@egroups.com
Subject: [SwissRail] RhB rolling stock details


I know that there are the Scheer and Wall books
which
give details of the RhB fleet numbers. But at ?30+
each (for four books) this is a bit steep, does
anyone
know of a list of the rolling stock numbers that
is a
bit cheaper? I already have the set of three RhB
books
but they are rather dated. There have been a fair
number of additions since then.

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Re: Tunnel Rescue trains

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

SBB media service kindly pointed me to two German speaking homepages about
rescue trains. They are set up by the staff of these trains in Olten and
Bern:

http://home.datacomm.ch/lrz/ und http://www.sbblrz.ch/

The 17 SBB trains and 1 BLS train are based in:
since 1964: Luzern
since 1976: Gen�ve, Chiasso, Buchs, Winterthur, Lausanne, Biel, Bellinzona,
Del�mont, Rorschach, Olten and Spiez (BLS)
since 1997: Bern, Basel, Z�rich, Brig, Rapperswil and G�schenen

Further rescue equipment is in Oberwald and Realp (FO, Furka) as well as in
Klosters Selfranga and Sagliains (RhB, Vereina).

Markus Giger


Re: Tunnel Rescue trains

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

On BahnCH we got a hint to a further article in German about the rescue
trains:
http://www.loekeli-journal.ch/berichte/sbblrz.htm#top

It is said there, and this is also a fact I thought to have read at that
time, that the first train had initially been at G�schenen. It was later
replaced by a new train. As far as I remember, it was only one car then.
The two others had been added later.

Markus Giger


SBB well known but still unmarried

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Newspapers of Thursday told that SBB was among the 20 best known brands in Switzerland. Together with Sinalco (a soft drink) it replaced Chiquita and Levi's in the top twenties. You want to know all 20? Well (in alphabetical order, asterisk * indicates non-Swiss brands, followed by my definition):
 
* Barilla   (italian pasta)
Caran d'Ache   (pencils)
* Coca Cola   (they say, it is a soft drink)
Emmentaler   (cheese with big holes)
Greyerzer   (cheese with small holes)
* Kellogg's   (children's breakfast)
* Lego   (just Lego)
Lindt  (chocolate)
Migros   (supermarket)
* Nivea   (beauty products)
Ovomaltine   (ovaltine)
Rivella   (soft drink)
SBB
Sinalco   (soft drink)
Swatch   (can help you to be on time at the railway station)
Thomy   (mayonaise, mustard and the like)
Tilsiter   (cheese - Tilisit was a German city in the East, now belonging to Russia as "Sovetsk")
Toblerone   (chocolate)
* Uncle Ben's   (Ho-chi-minh ballast)
Zweifel   (chips and other snacks)
 
Friday it was said, SBB and FS withdrew their request for approval of the merger at Brussels. It seemed, that FS and SBB should have served as an example. As the two need more time, they hope another cooperation or merger was taken as an example for the railway sector's competition situation.
 
Markus Giger


SBB + ?

Bob Tomasko
 

In a message dated 11/25/00 6:30:09 AM, SwissRail@egroups.com writes:

Friday it was said, SBB and FS withdrew their request for approval of the
merger at Brussels.

This seems like an odd mix of railroad cultures - though it makes sense, I
guess, from a traffic point of view. Maybe SBB could greatly improve FS,
though it might also distract SBB management. Wouldn't SBB + OBB be an
easier combination?

Recent US experience in rail system mergers has not been very positive. And
the British approach of creating seperate companies for track and for rail
operations seems to have problems - hopefully this will not be tried in
Switzerland.

Bob Tomasko
Washington DC


Re: SBB + ?

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: <rmtomasko@aol.com>
An: <SwissRail@egroups.com>
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. November 2000 17:46
Betreff: [SwissRail] SBB + ?
This seems like an odd mix of railroad cultures - though it makes sense, I
guess, from a traffic point of view. Maybe SBB could greatly improve FS,
though it might also distract SBB management. Wouldn't SBB + OBB be an
easier combination?

Recent US experience in rail system mergers has not been very positive.
And
the British approach of creating seperate companies for track and for rail
operations seems to have problems - hopefully this will not be tried in
Switzerland.
Combination �BB + SBB could be a little bit easier, but only little. Do not
think Swiss and Austrian cultures were more similar than Swiss and Italian.
In fact, Switzerland is a mixture of cultures around the country. Do not
forget, we have many Swiss speaking Italian.

Problem is, that very much of today's traffic of SBB is traffic going south.
Not having a good base in Italy means to loose this traffic sooner or later.
�BB does not help in this respect.

The British problem is not separation but the idea of an infrastructure
company producing shareholder value. On January 1st SBB will have its
freight traffic separated in a own company. Separation will thus be reality.
I do not expect any problem of this. BECAUSE the infrastructure still is
heavily subsidized and does NOT have to produce a shareholder value.

Markus Giger


SBB's future

Bob Tomasko
 

In a message dated 11/26/00 6:49:48 AM, Markus Giger writes:

Combination ÖBB + SBB could be a little bit easier, but only little. Do
not think Swiss and Austrian cultures were more similar than Swiss and
Italian.
In fact...

I was thinking more of railroad operational cultures, not national cultures.
The FS (as I have observed it) does not seem to value clean trains and
stations, well designed stations, economical operations, successful
implementation of state-of-the-art RR technology, and adherence to the
timetable to the extent these values are ingrained into the OBB and SBB (and
the SNCF).

At present OBB and SBB might be rivals for north-south traffic. If combined,
they could control a good share of it with 3 alternative paths south.

Giger makes an excellent point about expecting infrastructure companies to
maximize shareholder return (they shouldn't). Still control is often the
essence of a RR's ability to deliver on-time service. Reduced control over
track maintenance and dispatching can lead to diminished service (that has
been the US experience with Amtrak as well as in the UK). But I think if any
country is able to pull this kind of seperation off well, it will be
Switzerland.

Creating seperate freight companies can make sense to increase European RR's
share of the long haul goods market that now goes to trucks. These seem to
lead to cross-border mergers (NS + DB in cargo). Does the SBB freight
company plan to remain independent or to join with others?

Bob Tomasko
Washington DC


Re: SBB's future

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. November 2000 18:30
Betreff: [SwissRail] SBB's future
I was thinking more of railroad operational cultures, not national cultures. 
The FS (as I have observed it) does not seem to value clean trains and
stations, well designed stations, economical operations, successful
implementation of state-of-the-art RR technology, and adherence to the
timetable to the extent these values are ingrained into the OBB and SBB (and
the SNCF).
Still there are important differences between SBB, ÖBB and SNCF. I really did not think only of national cultures but just as well of railway cultures.
At present OBB and SBB might be rivals for north-south traffic.  If combined,
they could control a good share of it with 3 alternative paths south.
Sorry, does not work. Both only make connections between companies in Northern market and companies in Southern market. They both urgently need direct access to customers. Neither DB nor FS must work together with SBB or ÖBB - better: they must no more, as they have the possibility to bring their trains through Austria or Switzerland themselves. DB locomotives are already running through to the Italian border on ÖBB. FS just bought locomotives also able to run on 16.7 Hz (DB/ÖBB/SBB). Today, DB and FS still act in cooperation, but tomorrow?
Giger makes an excellent point about expecting infrastructure companies to
maximize shareholder return (they shouldn't).  Still control is often the
essence of a RR's ability to deliver on-time service.  Reduced control over
track maintenance and dispatching can lead to diminished service (that has
been the US experience with Amtrak as well as in the UK).  But I think if any
country is able to pull this kind of seperation off well, it will be
Switzerland.
If we think that control over infrastructure is needed, it would be necessary to buy an infrastructure reaching from Hamburg to Goia Tauro. But... Remember: In some way all these infrastructures are heavily subsidized. This is why infrastructure companies will remain national. Freight companies can work cross-border.
 
Qualitiy of rail freight roughly consists of three elements: rolling stock disponibility, availability of engineers, timetable-keeping on the run. The first two well managed in Italy, it could be possible to overcome some problems with the third point. We will see, if this is true, as recently three independent rail operators were admitted in Italy.
Creating seperate freight companies can make sense to increase European RR's
share of the long haul goods market that now goes to trucks.  These seem to
lead to cross-border mergers (NS + DB in cargo).  Does the SBB freight
company plan to remain independent or to join with others?
I think, SBB has no choice. Remaining independet would mean to loose all traffic going through Switzerland. Thus, SBB freight operations would be reduced by more than 50 percent. Or they would just act as traction company for big freight operators.
 
Markus Giger


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000 has just arrived.
Besides some international news, Swiss topics, most with high-quality colour pictures, are (in alphabetical order!):
  • AB new paint scheme on BDeh 4/4 15, without white stripe
  • ASm railway festival in Langenthal with visit of GTW 2/6 507 from Biel
  • BLS installed ZUB around Bern and will continue with other lines but directly applying ETCS.
  • BLS Re 465 001 painted for Alptransit (new tunnel)
  • BLS train with specail paint for Wallis tourism (Re 465 004, 2 A IV, 4 B IV, see http://www.bls.ch/german/sites/n/n_vszug.html)
  • CJ dismisses manager
  • fares: Easy-Ride (electronic ticketing system) test start postponed
  • fares:: no price change for 2-year-half-fare card, remains CHF 222
  • FO work train with Gm 4/4 71 in Sedrun
  • FOT interview of SER with director Max Friedli
  • MBS ET 10.109 and 110 soon to be finished by Stadler Bussnang
  • MThB Tm 234 644 with Post train Baden – Zürich Mülligen, later with SOB Am 864 461
  • RB train on Arth – Rigi derailed by sabotage
  • RhB Be 4/4 515 and ABDt 1715 with new rectangular headlight
  • RhB bought from Post freight cars 061 and 062 from Brünig-line and plans to rebuild them as res-cue cars
  • RhB scrapped first thyristor power Te 2/2 75 of 1969
  • RhB station Versam-Safien swithes relaid by 160 Swiss and 28 French military persons
  • RhB yellow motor car n° 30 (original Berninabahn colour) and Xe 4/4 9922 ex 38 (yellow of service vehicles)
  • RM “Papershuttle” open access train Biberist – Aarau
  • RM asked bei FOT to improve safety
  • SBB 4 tracks now from Zürich to Spreitenbach
  • SBB Brünig with new managerial team
  • SBB derailment of a piggyback car blocks one track of Gotthard line
  • SBB IC 2000 (bilevel) bistro car delivered (they are partly in red paint and carry the new SSG name “passaggio” (see www.ssg.ch)
  • SBB ICN gets note 5.3 (of 6) from passengers
  • SBB Intercity timetable project 2001/03
  • SBB line Bülach – Niederglatt interrupted
  • SBB mutations in rolling stock
  • SBB rail bistro in railway cars never rolling (at work place of new line Inkwil – Solothurn)
  • SBB Re 460 019 and 012 repainted for Swisspool and Radio Suisse Romand
  • SBB regional trains to Singen (Germany) where they meet with MThB regional trains.../ in the same article: EBA (German federal railway office) did not yet allow RBe 540 to come into Ger-many, SBB thus uses Re 4/4”
  • SBB steam train (A 3/5 705) and old electric (De 4/4 1676, Ae 3/6 II 10439) for tv-show
  • SBB Tösstal line: stations to be modernised
  • SBB with new manager for electricity department and for maintenance center Zürich
  • SBB with night bus offer on Zürich - Luzern and Lausanne – Genève
  • SBB/BVZ/FO interruptions due to innondations, short chronology
  • SBB/MThB surprising collaboration
  • SBB-Cargo thinks new truck regulation and taxes also cause problems for rail freight traffic
  • VMik steam engine to be repaired in Winterthur
  • VPac Swiss round journey on Oct 7/8 with 01 202, Ce 6/8 III 14305 and Ae 6/8 205
  • ŽSR 425.951 (meter gauge GTW 2/6) from Stadler/Vrútky presented in Brno
Markus Giger


Re: SBB's future

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

On Nov 23 the European Comission informed about the future railway politics, which will also determin the way of Swiss rail companies:
 
It is not yet clear to me, what the 7-year-transition period before full opening of networks for freight operation means.
 
Has anybody more informations?
 
Markus Giger


Re: Digest Number 74

Swiss Model Railways <chernex@...>
 

Reference item l (SER 12/2000) can anybody fill in the details of MThB Tm
234.644 (or should it be 236.644? They also have Tm 236.647 (? ex SBB 647),
Tm 236.649 (new) and Tm 236.662 (? ex SBB) - anyone got any details?

Brian Hemming

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Sent: 28 November 2000 12:57
Subject: [SwissRail] Digest Number 74



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1. Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000
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2. Re: SBB's future
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:51:58 +0100
From: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
Subject: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000

Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000 has just arrived.
Besides some international news, Swiss topics, most with high-quality colour
pictures, are (in alphabetical order!):
a.. AB new paint scheme on BDeh 4/4 15, without white stripe
b.. ASm railway festival in Langenthal with visit of GTW 2/6 507 from Biel
c.. BLS installed ZUB around Bern and will continue with other lines but
directly applying ETCS.
d.. BLS Re 465 001 painted for Alptransit (new tunnel)
e.. BLS train with specail paint for Wallis tourism (Re 465 004, 2 A IV, 4
B IV, see http://www.bls.ch/german/sites/n/n_vszug.html)
f.. CJ dismisses manager
g.. fares: Easy-Ride (electronic ticketing system) test start postponed
h.. fares:: no price change for 2-year-half-fare card, remains CHF 222
i.. FO work train with Gm 4/4 71 in Sedrun
j.. FOT interview of SER with director Max Friedli
k.. MBS ET 10.109 and 110 soon to be finished by Stadler Bussnang
l.. MThB Tm 234 644 with Post train Baden - Z�rich M�lligen, later with
SOB Am 864 461
m.. RB train on Arth - Rigi derailed by sabotage
n.. RhB Be 4/4 515 and ABDt 1715 with new rectangular headlight
o.. RhB bought from Post freight cars 061 and 062 from Br�nig-line and
plans to rebuild them as res-cue cars
p.. RhB scrapped first thyristor power Te 2/2 75 of 1969
q.. RhB station Versam-Safien swithes relaid by 160 Swiss and 28 French
military persons
r.. RhB yellow motor car n� 30 (original Berninabahn colour) and Xe 4/4
9922 ex 38 (yellow of service vehicles)
s.. RM "Papershuttle" open access train Biberist - Aarau
t.. RM asked bei FOT to improve safety
u.. SBB 4 tracks now from Z�rich to Spreitenbach
v.. SBB Br�nig with new managerial team
w.. SBB derailment of a piggyback car blocks one track of Gotthard line
x.. SBB IC 2000 (bilevel) bistro car delivered (they are partly in red
paint and carry the new SSG name "passaggio" (see www.ssg.ch)
y.. SBB ICN gets note 5.3 (of 6) from passengers
z.. SBB Intercity timetable project 2001/03
aa.. SBB line B�lach - Niederglatt interrupted
ab.. SBB mutations in rolling stock
ac.. SBB rail bistro in railway cars never rolling (at work place of new
line Inkwil - Solothurn)
ad.. SBB Re 460 019 and 012 repainted for Swisspool and Radio Suisse
Romand
ae.. SBB regional trains to Singen (Germany) where they meet with MThB
regional trains.../ in the same article: EBA (German federal railway office)
did not yet allow RBe 540 to come into Ger-many, SBB thus uses Re 4/4"
af.. SBB steam train (A 3/5 705) and old electric (De 4/4 1676, Ae 3/6 II
10439) for tv-show
ag.. SBB T�sstal line: stations to be modernised
ah.. SBB with new manager for electricity department and for maintenance
center Z�rich
ai.. SBB with night bus offer on Z�rich - Luzern and Lausanne - Gen�ve
aj.. SBB/BVZ/FO interruptions due to innondations, short chronology
ak.. SBB/MThB surprising collaboration
al.. SBB-Cargo thinks new truck regulation and taxes also cause problems
for rail freight traffic
am.. VMik steam engine to be repaired in Winterthur
an.. VPac Swiss round journey on Oct 7/8 with 01 202, Ce 6/8 III 14305 and
Ae 6/8 205
ao.. ZSR 425.951 (meter gauge GTW 2/6) from Stadler/Vr�tky presented in
Brno
Markus Giger



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:06:24 +0100
From: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
Subject: Re: SBB's future

On Nov 23 the European Comission informed about the future railway politics,
which will also determin the way of Swiss rail companies:
http://europa.eu.int/rapid/start/cgi/guesten.ksh?p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=IP/0
0/1353|0|RAPID&lg=EN

It is not yet clear to me, what the 7-year-transition period before full
opening of networks for freight operation means.

Has anybody more informations?

Markus Giger


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Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 12/2000

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

 

Brian Hemming wrote:

Reference item l (SER 12/2000) can anybody fill in the details of MThB Tm
234.644 (or should it be 236.644?  They also have Tm 236.647 (? ex SBB 647),
Tm 236.649 (new) and Tm 236.662 (? ex SBB) - anyone got any details?
The numbers of the motive power appears in SER as I wrote it down. But it is wrong.
The correct numers are:
236 644 and 846 461 (which once had been DB 201 001-5 as test locomotive), instead of:
 
    l.. MThB Tm 234 644 with Post train Baden - Zürich Mülligen, later with
SOB Am 864 461
My - not complete - knowledge of MThB Tm is this:
236 644 and a second one (643 ?) were built by Stadler in 1999 together with
Post 16 -18 (SBB-numbers 237 916-918)
and one engine for Dreispitz Basel
 
236 651 was a Stadler vehicle of 1966 (when this was still their most important product!).
To make room for the new Electrics 486 651-56 it was renumbered 236 642, if I remember well.
I saw it about a month ago.
826 641 is a very similar vehicle but with more air braking capacity.
Thus it is numered as Diesel engine, not as "Traktor".
These vehicles are diesel-electric (a speciality of Stadler in this power-range).
 
remember: the number 236 642 shows:
23 tractor, diesel
66 MThB
42 vehicle number
So, the real MThB-number is only a two digit number, the rest is identification.
 
I do not know a vehicle 47 nor 62. But as 236 661 is of the unified type Tm",
it is well possible that MThB bought one of the surplus SBB-Tm's
Anybody with more information?
 
Makus Giger


WAB news

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

It was decided, that WAB remains a cogwheel railway on the whole length. Repalcement with a funicular was studied. Four new trains will be ordered. They seem to be derived from recently ordered BVZ trains. Picture from "Bund" newspaper:
 
Markus Giger

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