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Re: Digest Number 98

Brian Hemming <chernex@...>
 

File will not open in my version of Excel 5.0. Shown as "File format is not
valid". Any ideas?

Brian

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1. Re: Re: swiss rail system
From: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>


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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 02:28:56 +0100
From: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
Subject: Re: Re: swiss rail system

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Giger-Baumann" <giger.baumann@smile.ch>
| Other changes took place but I would need my list, I have at the office,
to
| tell you which. If you are interested, I will give you that information.

Here it is: A list with all closed rail lines in Switzerland and with all
rail
services replaced by buses. Go to files section, enter folder "Rail Network"
and here is the Excel file. If you have corrections, amendments, please
post.
I will update the list from time to time.

Markus Giger



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Re: Digest Number 98

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Brian Hemming" <chernex@btinternet.com>
| File will not open in my version of Excel 5.0. Shown as "File format is not
| valid". Any ideas?

I saved it as Excel 5.0/95 for greatest possible compatibility.

I have now uploaded an already revised edition.

If you still have problems, try the following:
Do not left-klick but right-klick. Then choose "save as". Open it off-line out
of your Excel.

Any others with problems?

Markus Giger


Trams in Luzern?

Maurice Northey <maurice.northey@...>
 

In some shots of Luzern on the web there are overhead power cables on
the streets. Are these for trams or trolley buses?

Maurice


Re: Trams in Luzern?

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Maurice Northey" <maurice.northey@bigpond.com>
| In some shots of Luzern on the web there are overhead power cables on
| the streets. Are these for trams or trolley buses?

Trolleybus, introduced in 1941. 1961 it also replaced Tramways. And there is
some discussion about reintroducing Trams. But there is not very much money
around...
Markus Giger


Re: [BEMO] The Luzern-Obermatt-Samedan-Tarasp line

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Maurice Northey" <maurice.northey@bigpond.com>
| In an old Loki, Loisl describes an extension to the LSE (or Brunig?)
| which would inter-connect with the FO at Obermatt(?).

Well, Loisl is always good in imagination. But there really were plans to make
a connection between FO and Br�nigbahn. It would have been a line continuing
from MIB-end at Innertkirchen up the Oberhasli and meeting somewhere the FO.
Last such plans appear from Federal Office of Transport in a plan 1:100'000 of
March 1969 "Planification Gothard altitude 1500 m"! It is published in Urs
Obrecht, Das Furkaloch, Hallwag, 1979. Main item was Furka tunnel with the so
called "Bedretto window" (which exists). Then you find a tunnel of 8.1 km
Andermatt - Tschamutt and a tunnel of 8.4 km Handegg - Oberwald. Main issue
was NOT connecting with other railways but safe all-weather connection in
central alps. It was thought, that cars could be transported as it is done now
in Furka tunnel and Vereina (of which nobody spoke at that time). But after a
Furka tunnel building at costs of CHF 300m instead of predicted CHF 74m, the
Gotthard 1500 m plan got the name "super M�rklin of the Alps". The rest is
history.

| Would this extension make the arrival of RhB trains in Luzern a
| reality? And MOB in St Moritz? Would the lack of rack adhesion of
| Rhb locos prevent this? Are there power supply differences?

Well RhB in Luzern, yes, but not FO...
MOB in St. Moritz IF third rail Zweisimmen - Interlaken was realised...

They all have meter gauge, but for the rest:

rack system:
FO/BVZ/GGB: Abt
SBB/LSE/BOB: Riggenbach
The two systems can not be combined in any way. Only coaches WITHOUT cogwheels
could run through Chur - Luzern.

coupling:
RhB/FO/BVZ: central buffer with 2 screw couplings
SBB/LSE/BOB: automatic GFS-coupler
MOB/TPF: central buffer with 1 screw coupling (higher than RhB)

breaking:
RhB/FO/BVZ: vakuum brakes
SBB/LSE/BOB: air brakes
MOB/TPF: vakuum brakes, but with different coupling than RhB, MOB started to
fit their coaches with dual braking

catenary power supply:
RhB/FO/BVZ: 11000 V ac 16.7 Hz
RhB Bernina: 1000 V dc
SBB/LSE: 15000 V ac 16.7 Hz
BOB: 1500 V dc
MIB: 1200 V dc
MOB: 900 V dc

train power supply from locomotive (hotel power):
RhB/FO/BVZ: 300 V ac 16.7 Hz
RhB Bernina: 1000 V dc
SBB/LSE: 1500 V ac 16.7 Hz
BOB: 1500 V dc
MOB/TPF: 900 V dc

Sadly, an additional voltage (2200 V dc) has disappeard with changing
Chur-Arosa to ac. Otherwise, the "any-voltage coach" would have been to be
built...

Markus Giger


swiss travel

Dan Ainsworth
 

several list members contacted me and got direct travelogs of my trip.
Now that it is complete I have placed all of it at a website.
Additionally, a travel agent with extensive swiss travel also gave me a
travelog which I appended.
It is designed for foreign tourists with a possible interest in
travelling to Switzerland (I'm sure the resident "experts" on the list
can shoot it full of holes for technical errors)<g>
http://community.webtv.net/pismobum/swiss
enjoy....


Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2001

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

 
Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2001 has just arrived.
Besides some international news, Swiss topics, most with high-quality colour pictures, are (in alphabetical order!):
  • Alstom takes over at Fiat Ferroviaria, former Fiat-SIG Neuhausen now "Alstom Schienenfahrzeuge AG"
  • BVB gets first Combino tram of 301-328 series
  • DB ICE 3 on tests in Switzerland (Dec 5 - 8)
  • GGB Bhe 4/8 3043 modernised., plans to fit this series with m.u. exist
  • Hupac Taurus 1116 901 in Basel for engineer instruction, will be used on trains to Mannheim (DE)
  • LSE B 48 sent to R+J (on the road!) for refurbishment
  • MAV commissions Alcatel to fit 85 km with ETCS level 1, which was also ordered by BDZ (and will be minimal standard in Switzerland)
  • MThB excavation transports Sissach - Schlatt, first test with Re 486 and only two waggons
  • rail4chem is a new train operation company, belonging at 25% each to BASF (DE), Bertschi AG (CH), Hoyer GmbH (DE) and VTG (DE) and takes over operations from BASF (licensed 1996)
  • RhB Ge 4/4 651 with blue paint for Pontresina
  • RhB Vereina car transporter with problems, temporary speed limit 75 km/h
  • RM orders 8 GTW 2/6 and 3 driving trailer for CHF 42m from Stadler
  • SBB continues to use an DB-ICE going empty to Zürich as additional commuter train from Aarau
  • SBB EW IV refurbishment and redisign (they are now monochrome - black and white)
  • SBB excavation transports for Makies from Schlund (Horw LU) over four-rail track to Luzern and to Gettnau (on RM)
  • SBB Jail-Trains started on Jan 3 with rebuilt St 50 85 89-33 900 and 901 ex Dt 92-33 951 and 952. One train makes a round trip from Zürich via Basel and Bern back to Zürich. In Bern, prisoners can be exchanged with the Genève - Bern - Genève train. All other transports are now on the road.
  • SBB new line Muttenz - Liestal opened Dec 4, 2000
  • SBB Re 460 042 with yellow paint for Western Union
  • SBB regional traffic’s objectives
  • SBB third track Winterthur - Tössmühle in service on Dec 12, 2000
  • SBB/BLS cooperation (press release, no news)
  • SBB/Churchill-arrow special from and with Daniel Heer, a well known engineer and photographer, celebrating his 60th anniv.
  • SVB changes form green to red
  • VR with 26 more Sr 2 3221-3246 (SLM design)
off topic, but interesting:
  • BCR Tumbler-Ridge electrification of 1983/84 (which ended at end of August 2000)
  • PKP not able to pay for Adtranz EU 11 and EU 43 - they are now brought to Italy (who will buy them?)
  • RENFE Alaris tilting train
Markus Giger
 


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2001

Dan Ainsworth
 

I am new to the list, so excuse me if this is a dumb question.
Sounds fascinating.
Is the Revue in english, or were the contents in Swiss and you
translated for this message?

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neither one works"


Re: Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2001

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

It is my translation from German. It was the idea of a SwissRail member to
learn about actuality in Switzerland. If you are especially interested in any
of the topics, feel free to ask further question.

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: <pismobum@webtv.net>
An: <SwissRail@egroups.com>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Januar 2001 01:35
Betreff: Re: [SwissRail] Schweizer Eisenbahn-Revue 2/2001


| I am new to the list, so excuse me if this is a dumb question.
| Sounds fascinating.
| Is the Revue in english, or were the contents in Swiss and you
| translated for this message?
|
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| "there are two theories on how to argue with a woman;
| neither one works"


Administrative: Yahoo!

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Most of you know that eGroups, our list-service provider, was acquired by Yahoo
in August 2000.  Friday night, eGroups became fully integrated into Yahoo.  It is
now known as "Yahoo Groups."  The eGroups system and technology has been adopted
unchanged into Yahoo.  Almost everything still works exactly the same.

All of the old eGroups e-mail addresses and URL's still work.  You might want to
change your posting address from SwissRail@... to SwissRail@... , but it is not necessary.

The only significant change is that you will need to "convert" your eGroups
account before you can access the services on the Yahoo Groups web site.  They
have made this relatively easy.  Just go to http://www.egroups.com , read the
welcome message for eGroups users, click on "Convert my eGroups account" at the
bottom of the page, then follow the instructions.  You will have to do this
yourself.  I cannot do it for you.  (If you never access the eGroups web site
anyway, don't worry about it.)  After you have converted, you can access the
Yahoo Groups web site directly at http://groups.yahoo.com .
 
The German site www.eGroups.de will only be changed later. There, everything is still as it was before. It does by no means matter, which of the two sites you use. But in the new programming, language of the site is selected after your indication, not according to the site name. If you indicate German as language, you will also find groups.yahoo.com to be in German (which was different under eGroups)

Thank you.
Markus Giger


BLS Shops / Kursbuch

Shane G Deemer <sdeemer@...>
 

Just a few questions for the list:

1) Where are BLS's shops at? I've heard Brig; is this their only shop?

2) Where does the TGV run over the BLS at? BLS's website says they host the
TGV, but it doesn't say where.

3) Where can I get a Kursbuch at? Will Andermatt have them, or are they
only at bigger stations (Bern, Zurich)?


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Info please

Jon Blythe <jonblythe@...>
 

I'm planning a 15 day trip to Switzerland from Sat 26 May till Sat 9
June, arriving and departing Zurich Airport.

I would like to spend 5 days around Lake Luzern (Brunnen ?) (for the
Gotthard and Luzern) , 5 days in Thun and 5 days in Lugano (for the
weather). Any info on railfan friendly hotels (Chf 150-200 per room)
would be helpful.

Some of the time I will have to spend with my wife doing 'tourist'
things, but I want to spend several days videoing and track bashing -
does anyone have suggestions for good locations (I will be using a Swiss
Pass) - the more traffic the merrier (especially goods) !

Last year (mid June) I found Luzern to be quite good in the rush hour,
Zurich was incredible on a Saturday lunchtime, Arth Goldau OK, the
Gotthard amazing (almost as good as the Settle & Carlisle) and
Lotschberg spectacular but a bit dead on a Wednesday afternoon.

Jon Blythe, Leeds, UK


Re: Info please

John Fleck <johntgv@...>
 

I would recommend the Bellevue Hotel in Spiez rather than staying in
Thun. I stay there every year, it falls within your price range and
Spiez is very strategic as it is a major junction with rail lines going
off in 4 directions from Spiez. It is also impossible on weekends to
catch the 0635 train from Interlaken Ost to the Jungfrau Region from
Thun as the 0608 connecting train starts from Spiez, not Thun.

It is just a 5-minute walk downhill from the Spiez Bahnhof.

Sincerely,

John Fleck
Switzerland Network Specialist 99-0471-258

Jon Blythe wrote:


I'm planning a 15 day trip to Switzerland from Sat 26 May till Sat 9
June, arriving and departing Zurich Airport.

I would like to spend 5 days around Lake Luzern (Brunnen ?) (for the
Gotthard and Luzern) , 5 days in Thun and 5 days in Lugano (for the
weather). Any info on railfan friendly hotels (Chf 150-200 per room)
would be helpful.

Some of the time I will have to spend with my wife doing 'tourist'
things, but I want to spend several days videoing and track bashing -
does anyone have suggestions for good locations (I will be using a
Swiss
Pass) - the more traffic the merrier (especially goods) !

Last year (mid June) I found Luzern to be quite good in the rush
hour,
Zurich was incredible on a Saturday lunchtime, Arth Goldau OK, the
Gotthard amazing (almost as good as the Settle & Carlisle) and
Lotschberg spectacular but a bit dead on a Wednesday afternoon.

Jon Blythe, Leeds, UK

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R: BLS Shops / Kursbuch

Enrico Tenconi <tenkrikko@...>
 

No, the first BLS-Shop is in Spiez !

Look in http://www.bls.ch

Excuse-me for my very orrible english!

Enrico


Re: BLS Shops / Kursbuch

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Shane G Deemer" <sdeemer@austin.rr.com>
| 1) Where are BLS's shops at? I've heard Brig; is this their only shop?

There is none at Brig (only narrow gauge FO is outside Brig). Main shops are
at B�nigen (East of Interlaken, about half of the old rail line to B�nigen
[Brienzersee] serves as shop access) and Spiez. An auxiliary shop is at
Holligen (this is, coming from Bern, shortly before Ausserholligen, at the
place where BLS turns away from SBB-line to Fribourg).

| 2) Where does the TGV run over the BLS at? BLS's website says they host the
| TGV, but it doesn't say where.

Bern - Neuch�tel (Z�rich - Bern - Frasne - Paris)

| 3) Where can I get a Kursbuch at? Will Andermatt have them, or are they
| only at bigger stations (Bern, Zurich)?

At any railway station, also at most station book stores. There are two
different offers. At CHF 16.00 you get the complete timetable of Swiss public
transport of all modes (city traffic is only listed with lines, not times) in
two books (railway/cable transport/boats in blue book, bus and city transport
in yellow book). At CHF 12.00 you can buy a small edition (you have to read
small figures) of the blue book including also some important bus lines. It is
called "Reka-Fahrplan" - but I admit, you need good eyes (or glasses...)

Markus Giger


Re: Info please

John Whitby <john.p.whitby@...>
 

Hello Jon,
My favourite train watching locations are Olten (not very scenic but
extremely busy with freight and passenger traffic throughout the day) and
Airolo on the Gotthard. Olten is easily reached from both Thun/Spiez and
Lake Luzern and Airolo is easily reached from Lake Luzern and Lugano. I have
just returned from Kandersteg and the Lotschberg is still very quiet during
the daylight hours although it was good to see the BLS Ae4/4's and Ae8/8's
hard at work.
Have a great time and make the most of that Swiss Pass.
Best wishes
John.
Swiss trains at www.johnwhitby.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Blythe <jonblythe@netlon.co.uk>
To: <SwissRail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: [SwissRail] Info please


I'm planning a 15 day trip to Switzerland from Sat 26 May till Sat 9
June, arriving and departing Zurich Airport.

I would like to spend 5 days around Lake Luzern (Brunnen ?) (for the
Gotthard and Luzern) , 5 days in Thun and 5 days in Lugano (for the
weather). Any info on railfan friendly hotels (Chf 150-200 per room)
would be helpful.

Some of the time I will have to spend with my wife doing 'tourist'
things, but I want to spend several days videoing and track bashing -
does anyone have suggestions for good locations (I will be using a Swiss
Pass) - the more traffic the merrier (especially goods) !

Last year (mid June) I found Luzern to be quite good in the rush hour,
Zurich was incredible on a Saturday lunchtime, Arth Goldau OK, the
Gotthard amazing (almost as good as the Settle & Carlisle) and
Lotschberg spectacular but a bit dead on a Wednesday afternoon.

Jon Blythe, Leeds, UK


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Ferien

Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

Vom 10. bis 24. Februar geniesse ich (hoffentlich) die Walliser Sonne, fernab von Internetanschlüssen. Stefan Dringenberg hat sich verdankenswerter Weise bereit erklärt, allfällige administrative Aufgaben zu übernehmen (insbesondere die Meldungen neuer Mitglieder freizuschalten).
 
From Feb 10 to 24 I hope to enjoy the sun of the Goms, far from Internet. Stefan Dringenberg takes over, for these two weeks, the role of the group moderator. Thanks for his help!
 
Markus Giger


Information about BRB and Vereina

Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

Hello,

I've uploaded new pages about Brienz Rothorn Bahn and RhB Vereina
line to http://www.rail-info.ch/index.en.html. Maybe someone is
interested about this...

Regards,
Stefan


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RhB Ge 4/4 II sound system for G scale?

chrisonnink@...
 

 I have the LGB RhB Ge 4/4 II  #622 "Arosa."  I have radio control in it
and am looking for a sound system to install into it, so far I have only
found one company.  This is the system they say is for a Ge 4/4 II, yet they
say it is German locomotive when the picture is clearly not.  Being that I
have never been to actually witness RhB operations, and the video's I have do
not give a good sample of what the engine sounds like, could someone who has
witnessed these loco's in operation verify the authenticity of this sound
system?    Here's a link to the sound clip, it plays automatically when you
open the page:  
       http://www.phoenixsound.com/sound_library/european/ge44-ii/ge44.htm

                       Thanks for your help,
                                                       Chris Onnink
                                                  


Re: RhB Ge 4/4 II sound system for G scale?

glenn allen
 

Although the sound clip is fairly short is does sound
rather like the real thing, but it also sounds like
its in a metal bucket. LGB have know produced a
Ge4/4ii with a sound system in built, I don't know if
they do the sound unit as a separate item, it might be
better to check with them, their other sound units
have tended to be right on the mark.
--- chrisonnink@aol.com wrote:
I have the LGB RhB Ge 4/4 II #622 "Arosa." I
have radio control in it
and am looking for a sound system to install into
it, so far I have only
found one company. This is the system they say is
for a Ge 4/4 II, yet they
say it is German locomotive when the picture is
clearly not. Being that I
have never been to actually witness RhB operations,
and the video's I have do
not give a good sample of what the engine sounds
like, could someone who has
witnessed these loco's in operation verify the
authenticity of this sound
system? Here's a link to the sound clip, it plays
automatically when you
open the page:

http://www.phoenixsound.com/sound_library/european/ge44-ii/ge44.htm

Thanks for your help,

Chris Onnink


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