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Re: Question about history of RBe + Bt sets

csipromo
 

The RBe 4/4 were originally lettered SBB CFF/SBB FFS without the Swiss crest.
At some point in the 1980s, a number of these railcars were adorned with the new SBB logo (Pleitegeier) <+> SBB CFF FFS
At some point, probably around 1990, a number of these railcars had the ends painted red.
Around the same time, a small number of these railcars had one end painted in a special orange/yellow livery for use on the Seetal Line (Luzern - Lenzburg)
In the mid-1990s, a number of these railcars were repainted in the Regio (NPZ) livery. A few years later, the railcars were modified again as the original doors were replaced by flush swing doors, as were the carriages.
Around 2000, it became common to see push-pull trains with a RBe 4/4 (540) at either end of the consist, rather than a single motor unit with a pilot coach.
This freed up a number of pilot coaches for use with Re 4/4II in Regio and Interregio consists.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Question about history of RBe + Bt sets

Martin Baumann
 

RBe overhauled between 1990 and 1992 were repainted in blue and white but retained the original doors for several years afterwards, for example 540 049 ex 1451 R4 26.10.1992 but only received the new doors 07.03.1997

(I have dates for all RBe if this is of interest)

RBe with old and new doors could certainly work together, for example 13.01.1995 S3-18364 Effretikon-Dietikon had 1440 blue and white old doors and 540 009 blue and white and new doors working together


Etzwillen-Singen museum line

Martin Baumann
 

Reilasingen to Singen will re-open to passengers on August 16th

http://www.zrt.ch/uploads/media/ZRT_Dampf_Etzwilen-Singen.pdf


Question about history of RBe + Bt sets

Andrew Moglestue
 

Question here about the history of RBe push-pull sets for the purposes of correct formations on a model railway.

This isn't very long ago, but memory can play tricks.

From memory, when the S-Bahn Zürich first opened, many lines used RBe uniots coupled to two EWI or EWII plus a BDt. These four car sets could be combined into longer 8 or 12 car sets.
At the time they were still in green livery, using the Swiss shield rather than the SBB logo.

Then as conductors were phased out, some modifications were made, including the removal of exterior grabrails and shunter's steps so passengers couldn't jump up onto a moving train. Is this correct?

Later a program got underway to modernize these trains. Folding doors were replaced by swing doors and at the same time the green livery was replaced by the NPZ style blue and white with yellow doors and the interiors also modernized with the imitation red or green leather seat covers replaced by moquette in 2nd class, and the luggage racks over the seats replaced by luggagte racks over the windows. Changes in first class were more subtle, it mostly it just being the seat moquettes that got changed. Some of the toilets were removed and repalced by bicycle areas.

Now my second question is about the transition period here. I seem to remember that modernized and unmodernized vehicles would run mixed within the same trains. So you might get, say, a green RBe and then a blue/white B and then a green A and then a green BDt, or something like that all in the same 4-car set. Is that correct? Does this mean the door controls were compatible between unmodernized and modernized units?


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Andrew Moglestue
 

I wonder how they define photography for private use. Many railway photographers these days share their photos on playces like Flickr, Facebook or DeviantArt, or have their own private photo sites.
Would that still be private use, or could you get into trouble with SBB over that?

Concerning the situation in Germany, I had a similar situation of my own, not actually on railway property but photographing trams in Freiburg about 5 years ago. I was approached by a security guard who claimed he was on one of my photos (I hadn't even noticed him before) and demanded I delete all my photos. When asked why, he said he didn't want people to recognize where he worked and said something about tram photographers always sharing pictures with nazis and the mafia. He sounded a bit mentally deranged to me. He called the police, actually telling them he had apprehended a shoplifer. The policemen inspected my photos and confirned that he wasn't actually on any of them.

I later wrote to the security company whose name was on his jacket but never got a response. So I guess they don't take misbehaviour by their staff very seriously.

But this is one random incident in about 30 years of photographs, so I chalked it up to an imbecilic individual.


Re: Serious accident on MGB

Martin Baumann
 

Schweizer Eisenbahn Revue reports that the accident was caused by the Autozug passing a signal at danger. its composition was 105 plus Skl-v 4802 4822 4820 4821 4825 4826 4806 4801 and BDt 4363


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Theo van Riet
 

Op 3 aug. 2020, om 23:56 heeft DAVID STEVENSON via groups.io <bodensee.toggenburg=me.com@groups.io> het volgende geschreven:

I do speak German and understood what he was saying. I did check it out and it was true though I had never heard of it. Perhaps the train driver was German?
A friend of mine had the same experience with a ”nervous” train driver in Frankfurt Hbf….
But once in 20 years is bearable..


Theo


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Mick Sasse
 

Or perhaps the train driver was bonkers...

;-)


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

DAVID STEVENSON
 

There is a law in Germany which prohibits the taking of a photo of someone at work. It is rarely applied and i have only once experienced a difficulty when a bus driver at Aachen went absolutely bonkers at me shouting and screaming and then drove his bus at me. Quite a lot of his passengers got off at this point. I told him I didn’t speak German and had no idea what he was on about. He didn’t speak any English so that was that. I do speak German and understood what he was saying. I did check it out and it was true though I had never heard of it. Perhaps the train driver was German?

Dave S


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

glenn allen
 

from: Andrew Moglestue via groups.io
Sent: 03 August 2020 16:29
To: SwissRail@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SwissRail] Issues with railway photography in CH?

My possibly misinformed understanding Is that on SBB property at Zurich HB you do indeed need an official permit for commercial or professional photography . I am not sure how professional is defined . So I guess there is possibly some grey area .

➢ I found this on a post from ten years ago.
➢ I received the following response from a representative of the Media Relations team. (Highlighting mine.)
➢ You do not require a permit to take photographs for private use in [these] stations. Hereby the special conditions from one of our photographers’ permits.
Please note the following conditions:
– You may only photograph in publically accessible areas.
– The usual operation of the railway may not be disturbed.
– Crossing the tracks and remaining in the area of the tracks is forbidden.
– You must follow the instructions of station and train personal as well as Securitrans railway police.
– SBB disavows itself of any responsibility for any accident which results from the non-observance of these instructions.


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.08.2020 um 17:08 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
My possibly misinformed understanding Is that on SBB property at
Zurich HB you do indeed need an official permit for commercial or
professional photography. I am not sure how professional is defined.
See also the contribution of Martin Baumann on the subject.

The idea of the rule is simply to prevent railway stations from becoming film studios, because this could hinder railway operations and passenger flows and finally be dangerous.

So, if you want to film a scene for a movie or make shootings with models for any fashion label, you need a permission. If I'm not mistaken, an SBB person will then be available to survey and help if necessary. Of course, this isn't free...

But all that is far away from any restriction to take photos as a passenger, who waits two or three hours for a train :-)

There had once been an incident with a rail guard who thought that any photography in a railway station would need a permission. We then had contacts with SBB officials and they clearly said that this isn't the case.

Markus


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Martin Baumann
 

"Foto- und Filmaufnahmen, die ausschliesslich privaten Zwecken oder der journalistisch-redaktionellen, nicht-kommerziellen Tätigkeiten dienen, sind zulässig, sofern sie nicht bewilligungspflichtig sind."

https://company.sbb.ch/de/ueber-die-sbb/profil/sbb-markenportal/kommunikation/foto/film-fotoaufnahmen.html

This page is not available in English. It says that photographing and videoing exclusively for private purposes or for non commercial news journalism are permitted when a permit is not needed. It goes on to list what you need a permit for such as large equipment, big groups, closing off areas etc.


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Gary Klouda
 


Seven years ago on a local going to Berne, as we were coming into a small station I was videotaping out the window with my camcorder. A person who turned out to be a plainclothes policeman came storming into the train and wanted to rip my head off. The guard (conductor) happened to be standing right next to me, defended me, and called some of the policeman's mates to calm him down. I was a bit shaken. That was the only incident I've ever had in seven trips to Switzerland.  - Gary


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Don
 

Just maybe Thomas, it was the driver who had a personal issue about a photographer possibly recording him at work? A number of years ago I was near Sion and took a couple of images from a public path during a wagon collection operation. The duty shunter spotted me, halted the driver and walked across the running tracks towards me to ask if I had included him in any photo taken. I confirmed he was in just one of the images and he politely asked me to delete it as he did not wish to be photographed undertaking his duties. I duly respected his request. Like Thomas, I have nearly 4 decades of railway photography under my belt and such incidents have been minimal to date and very far between, perhaps that driver was just having an extra bad day at the office? Keep smiling Thomas and continue to enjoy taking images of Swiss railways. I am looking forward to visiting again as soon as I can! Regards All, Don


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Andrew Moglestue
 

My possibly misinformed understanding Is that on SBB property at Zurich HB you do indeed need an official permit for commercial or professional photography . I am not sure how professional is defined . So I guess there is possibly some grey area .

That said. As far as I know this is a requirement that exists only on paper and I have never seen or heard of anybody getting challenged over it. I have taken photos in full view of security staff and they did not seem interested


Bernex Tram [was Re: North-south coridor after Ceneri opening]

Martin Baumann
 

BLICKPUNKT STRASSENBAHN reports the opening of the line will be delayed past 13.12.2020 due to the virus delaying work but does not mention a new opening date.


Re: RhB Derailment

Martin Baumann
 

Andre Knorr also photographed the train yesterday. The derailed coach was A 1251

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototak/50177484163/


Re: RhB Derailment

Guerbetaler
 

Obviously, Blick got two photos from passengers and integrated them into
a TV broadcast
<https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/graubuenden/nach-starkem-regen-rhaetische-bahn-nahe-illanz-wegen-murgang-entgleist-id16022567.html>
Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Issues with railway photography in CH?

Mick Sasse
 

In that case I stand corrected and share others' puzzlement!

Mick


Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.08.2020 um 22:41 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Am 01.08.2020 um 22:02 schrieb Martin Baumann:
702 worked 902 (08:52 Zermatt to St Moritz) between Disentis and Chur today
702 meeting 602, 2 hours before the weather turned and 602 derailed
photo by Georg Trüb
<https://www.railpictures.net/photo/743922/>
sorry, it was 4 hours earlier

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