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North-south coridor after Ceneri opening

Toma Bacic
 

Hello all!
As the opening of the Ceneri base tunnel is scheduled for September 4, I am interested what infrastructure projects will follow on the north-south corridor.
According to what I learned, the southern extension of Ceneri is planned, but what is the status of that project now? Also, when the opening of the new Bözbergtunnel is planned? Also, what is the status of the southern extension of the Zimmerberg Base Tunnel?
Finally, when the second track between the Zug and Arth-Goldau (the complete section will be doubled or just some parts) will be opened?

Thank you very much and regards
toma

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Re: RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

Bahnforum Schweiz suggests 701 will be used as a parts source.

Meanwhile 705 worked 1358 16:47 St Moritz-Landquart yesterday


RhB Ge 6/6 II (701 Class)

Martin Baumann
 

RhB intend that all will be withdrawn by this time next year, with one preserved by the company. The Neue Zürcher Zeitung published a report on the RhB today including their reported travelling on 705 on a freight:

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/zeitenwende-bei-der-rhb-aelteste-loks-der-schweiz-verschwinden-ld.1568274?fbclid=IwAR21FFkjhc8XiwZrhrmCtbr5rOToJD5aKg9ueiJ--n1YZGCkMSmou9bVfR8

(German)


Re: RhB : 701

Martin Baumann
 

Abgestellt can mean out of service due to a defect etc but can also mean stabled as in waiting for next working.

If 701 was long term out of service then "Remisiert" or "Ausser Betrieb" is more likely to be used. If it was not going to run again then "Zur Ausrangierung freigegeben" -authorised for withdrawal- might appear.


RhB : 701

David Prior
 

I didn’t notice at the time, but 701 went into Landquart for attention after working diagram #202 on 14th July.

Initially it was under periodic inspection (“Bestellter Fz“), and due out on 5305 diagram #204 the next day, which was indeed shown on the diagrams for 15th.

Seems it didn’t make it back out, and from 16th it became shown as “Reparatur”.

It is now listed as “Abgestellt” ... switched off, or potentially a kind of “stored (un?)serviceable” status.

Does anyone know more - might we have seen the last of it in operation ?


Re: Ee 3/3

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.07.2020 um 12:50 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The Ee 3/3 at Chur were largely used for the passenger sector with a
little Cargo work.
But the Cargo duties were the reason why the Ee 3/3 remained so long. Their purely electromechanical gear allowed to run under 11 kV on three-rail track.

Markus


Re: Ee 3/3

Martin Baumann
 

The Ee 3/3 at Chur were largely used for the passenger sector with a little Cargo work. Cargo will now use either an Am 843 or a mainline loco. Passenger shunting at Chur has virtually disappeared due to most trains being either units or 460 pushpull so SBB-P will no longer have shunting locos at Chur


Re: Ee 3/3

Guerbetaler
 

Am 25.07.2020 um 00:51 schrieb Martin Baumann:
16383 and 16410 were withdrawn from Chur (hauled away by 11140) on
Wednesday.
What was sent to Chur as replacement?

Markus


Ee 3/3

Martin Baumann
 

16383 and 16410 were withdrawn from Chur (hauled away by 11140) on Wednesday. This means there is only one active loco left on SBB: 16406 at Bellinzona. It has an adapter coupler at one end so that it can be used to move FLIRT units if required


Re: Re 4/4 II and III

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 23 July 2020, 12:15:36 BST, Gbgen <gbgen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the info on 420.207, that wasn't previously reported here. I just checked. Is it known where she currently is? Your wording implies, without specifically stating, that repairs have not been started nor authorised.
It is in Bellinzona works for assessment


Re: Re 4/4 II and III

Gbgen
 

Thanks for the info on 420.207, that wasn't previously reported here. I just checked. Is it known where she currently is? Your wording implies, without specifically stating, that repairs have not been started nor authorised.


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2020 um 07:46 schrieb Mark Torkington:
from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad
As indicated on the interrail website, this timetable doesn't reflect all the changes made due to Corona. So, to be sure your train is running, check the national timetable a short time before departure.

I was told that Jungfrau region will reduce train numbers again. The same thing may happen at other places. And not all GEX have been reintroduced.

Markus


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

gordonwis
 

On Monday, 20 July 2020, 21:28:21 BST, Mark Torkington <mtorkington@hotmail.com> wrote:
A few units did put in appearances on loco hauled turns, although I presume that was down to reduced demand at the moment as I didn’t notice any new units in traffic.
To be fair, even without reduced demand RhB trains occasionally not working with their diagrammed power (or their diagrammed stock) has been happening on the RhB (especially the Albula) for some years now as there is so much gradual transition going on (eg Alvra being introduced but with only gradual upgrade of Ge4/4III locos possible


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2020 um 07:46 schrieb Mark Torkington:
These were taken from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad. Maybe you should direct your rant towards the SBB / Interrail data coding people rather than people who are just trying to post some sightings?
Thank you, I will take that, as I'm in regular contact with SBB people of this sector.

Markus


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Mark Torkington
 

>>>sorry for the rant, but that's R 211 and PE 2111. It's really not helpful to use abbreviations that are misleading or not >>>known at all. Thank you.

These were taken from the interrail app offline timetable that a lot of us when abroad. Maybe you should direct your rant towards the SBB / Interrail data coding people rather than people who are just trying to post some sightings?  

Cheers

Mark


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2020 um 16:30 schrieb Guerbetaler:
So, be aware that things can always change.
It seems that on Friday Deh 24 has to replace the HGe 4/4" in the Oberalp turn. Thus Deh 23 and 24 plus one Komet will do all Regios there.

Markus


Re: SBB / RhB / MGB bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 20.07.2020 um 23:30 schrieb Guerbetaler:
The diagram is 550-860, next day 819-824-831-836-843-848-855-569,
also 211-272, but this may be the same consist several days. I only saw
that once in Andermatt within 7 days.
BDt 2241-B 2289- B 2283- A 2071
BDt 2242-B 2290- B 2286- A 2074
BD 2296-B 4262- B 4257- A 2075
It seems that the reintroduction of a second pair of GEX and the wreckage of 105 lead to some changes in the MGB charts. Today 211 was planned for a Komet-EMU (ABDeh) and 272 for a motor luggage van (Deh). 276 was planned for an ABDeh instead of Deh.

So, be aware that things can always change.

Markus


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

csipromo
 

A post on DSO has some photos of the current appearance of the ex-VAE coaches used by LE Train des Mouettes:
https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?031,9391901

The post also includes a link to another DSO post (about the MAV ex-VAE coaches) which includes this link to Facebook, showing the new livery of the coaches there:
https://www.facebook.com/mavnosztalgia/photos/a.1447499425514116/2685751358355577/

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2020 um 13:31 schrieb Mark Torkington:
MGB 21 RE211
MOB 6003 FT2111
sorry for the rant, but that's R 211 and PE 2111. It's really not helpful to use abbreviations that are misleading or not known at all. Thank you.

For what it’s worth, trains are fairly busy with locals but not at
pre-covid levels and everyone is wearing facemasks on them. On the
vast majority of trains I got a bay of 4 to myself and not a single
train was full and standing, even at rush hour.
Overall patronage was last reported around 80% of normal. However, on single trains or lines it's less than 50% (especially Jungfraujoch) but others are rather above the normal. I heard of a train in Goms where people sat on the floor. In general 1st class is less, as all the Interrail and Eurailpass holders etc. are not there. Number of guests in many Swiss holiday regions is equal or higher than normal because very many Swiss family make holidays in their own country. I read reports from Appenzell where locals say they have never heard so much French speaking (guests from Western Switzerland) before.

Facemasks are mandatory in public transport, but you are allowed to remove it when eating or drinking. ;-)

Markus


SBB obs plus MGB/MOB/BLS bits

Mark Torkington
 

Tuesday 21st
MGB 21 RE211
The 2 BLS 420 turns were 501/2
MOB 6003 FT2111

And then SBB stuff seen between yesterday afternoon and this morning in the Zurich / Basel area:

420 204/5/6/9/10/11/13/14/15/18/20/24
11112/16/22/24/28/31/32/33/39/46/49/53/301
421 383

For what it’s worth, trains are fairly busy with locals but not at pre-covid levels and everyone is wearing facemasks on them. On the vast majority of trains I got a bay of 4 to myself and not a single train was full and standing, even at rush hour. The longer distance trains and ECs were worst hit with most running around nearly empty, especially in the evenings and the more tourist orientated stuff (Glacier Exp etc) are particularly quiet due to the lack of foreign tourists.

Thanks as always to those who’ve posted the diagrams, gen and answered questions etc. Photos to follow.

Cheers

Mark

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