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Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

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Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 18.04.2020 um 09:21 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via groups.io:
The Schlieren coaches are with GySev.
MAV Nostalgia also has some. First class!
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apz_17-36_002-3_MAV_Nosztalgia.jpg>

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Andrew Moglestue
 

Just my 5 Rappen here.

The Schlieren coaches are with GySev. GySev is not the same as MÁV historic . Furthermore the present GySev Schlieren fleet is all second class and there are no catering vehicles . Thus the Voralpen Express stock discussed is an unlikely replacement . Lastly I was under the impression that GySev has moved beyond its phase of buying everything second hand and now has the means to buy new rolling stock, for example the new Flirts they are presently getting.

If I may propose my own theory,MÁV discontinued all on-train catering some years ago with the exception of a small number of international WRs . Today there is talk of bringing some back. For example last year during the summer months there was a WR on the Balaton Express, actually, if I was informed correctly , loaned by MÁV historic . They didn’t serve full meals but more ice cream, beer, hotdogs and burgers. Which I suppose is what Balaton tourists want to eat and drink. So maybe a full WR was an overkill . If this is to become a more permanent feature they need more suitable catering vehicles for which the Voralpen cars are suitable in my opinion . As this is obviously a seasonal service . Hardly anybody goes to the balaton outside the summer season. Thus new vehicles cannot be justified . So this is maybe a solution. Just my personal theory of course . I have no proof for any of this .


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.04.2020 um 11:49 schrieb Toma Bacic:
In total 23 Revvivo passenger cars were sold (6 A, 11 B and 6 Bistro cars)
With 2 A and 2 B sold to France, this would leave SOB with 1 BR and 3 B, but currently 4 B are still in use.

A 50 85 18-35 711-718, 715/718 France
B 50 85 20-35 721-736, 726/730 France
BR 50 85 85-35 741-748, 748 scrapped

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: BVB

Bill Bolton
 

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:51:45 -0700, John Lovda wrote:

I wonder if the train driver has to use the horn
That's in Bex, and from my experience riding there, the answer is no!


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.04.2020 um 11:49 schrieb Toma Bacic:
Additional questions - when those cars were manufactured and when
were modernised to Revvivo type?
Original delivery of these coaches was 1956 until 1965 and rebuild was 1997-2000, with a prototype, meanwhile scrapped, arriving in 1995. All except four BR 741-744 were ex SBB B EW I. BR 741-744 were ex BT AB 251-254 of 1964. Detailed list will follow. B 735-736 didn't get new bogies. A total of 32 Revvivos were built. 4 are still in use with SOB.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Toma Bacic
 

In total 23 Revvivo passenger cars were sold (6 A, 11 B and 6 Bistro cars)
to MÁV Nosztalgia Kft.
Approximate value was:
https://www.voralpen-express.ch/fileadmin/images/reiseinfos/Fahrzeugverkaufspreise.pdf

Additional questions - when those cars were manufactured and when were
modernised to Revvivo type?

regards
toma

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Re: BVB

gordonwis
 

On Thursday, 16 April 2020, 20:55:33 BST, John Lovda wrote:
I wonder if the train driver has to use the horn a lot
No. Street railways operate in the same way as urban tramways. No warning sound used unless needed.

I've travelled this line many times. The Bex town street section of the Bex - Villars - Bretaye railway was used by both 'through' trains and a local town service considered as an urban tramway (table 6 in the Swiss Kursbuch was labelled 'Tramway local Bex- Bévieux') with regular service until 2002, using small tram vehicles.


Re: BVB

gordonwis
 

Indeed, more 'boring' new infrastructure - all the 'character' of such things is going as time moves on


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.04.2020 um 00:44 schrieb OL.Guerbetal via groups.io:
And GySEV had bought many Austrian Schlieren coaches. They also go on
1000 V.
... but were rebuilt for 1500 V 50 Hz. (I found a photo on a Hungarian forum, but I don't understand one word from what they write... The photo was posted by a man who's nickname is "RhB"!)

Markus


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 16.04.2020 um 22:45 schrieb Mick Sasse:
I think heating generator coaches are quite common in Hungary, though
I couldn't comment on what voltage they produce.
The standard in 50 Hz countries is 1500 V. Only the 16.7 Hz countries (Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden) have 1000 V. But I think Hungary was partly an exception because of its very early 50 Hz electrification and the traditional connection with Austria. And GySEV had bought many Austrian Schlieren coaches. They also go on 1000 V.

From what I read it could be that the VAE coaches replace Schlieren coaches.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.04.2020 um 00:25 schrieb Martin Baumann:
Only the first two and last two M61 were fitted with electric train
heating, the others retained steam
On recent photos I can only find steam heating pipes.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Martin Baumann
 

Unclear from what I can find via google. Only the first two and last two M61 were fitted with electric train heating, the others retained steam


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Mick Sasse
 

At the risk of getting a bit off-topic, I think heating generator coaches are quite common in Hungary, though I couldn't comment on what voltage they produce.

Mick

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Re: BVB

Mick Sasse
 

The BVB is indeed a fine little railway, with a large amount of variety within its very modest length: a recommended day out!

Bit of a shame the traditional street boarding outside the mainline CFF station is to be abandoned, but I guess that's inevitable as it's anything but level boarding at present!

Mick


Re: BVB

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.04.2020 um 16:51 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
Speaking of narrow gauge interurban trains, I found this photo on
FLICKR. I have no connection to the photographer. I wonder if the
train driver has to use the horn a lot weaving around narrow streets?
No, he has to drive carefully. It's a very similar situation in Aigle, also with TPC, but a bit narrower.

BTW Bex railway station with its unique track arrangement is currently undergoing heavy rebuilds to become a modern and comfortalbe interchange like Aigle. Pictures like these will no longer be possible:

<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bex_railway_station>

Markus, Gürbetal


BVB

John Lovda
 

Speaking of narrow gauge interurban trains, I found this photo on FLICKR. I have no connection to the photographer. I wonder if the train driver has to use the horn a lot weaving around narrow streets? Another little interesting place to visit.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/185213389@N06/49536705666/in/faves-79976134@N07/

John


Re: Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.04.2020 um 13:31 schrieb Martin Baumann:
MÁV Historic have bought the following
Do M61 locomotives provide 1000 V ac for the coaches?

Markus, Gürbetal

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