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Voralpen Express coaches sold to Hungary

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

MÁV Historic have bought the following

A 50 85 18-35 712-6
A 50 85 18-35 713-4
A 50 85 18-35 714-2
A 50 85 18-35 716-7
A 50 85 18-35 717-5

B 50 85 20-35 721-3
B 50 85 20-35 725-4
B 50 85 20-35 729-6

B 50 85 20-35 733-8
B 50 85 20-35 734-6
B 50 85 20-35 735-3
B 50 85 20-35 736-1

BR 50 85 85-35 741-3
BR 50 85 85-35 743-9
BR 50 85 85-35 744-7
BR 50 85 85-35 745-4

8 were stored in Wittenbach and 8 in Rorschach. They were collected by DSF BDe 4/4 80 and hauled to Buchs yesterday where MRCE 182 527 took over. The 16 coaches totalled 604 tons and were noted heading towards Hegyshalom on the Ostbahn at 11:15 today

https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/35995


Re: Question about a Photo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.04.2020 um 04:19 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
Today, this photo was posted on rail pictures.net.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/732768/ It shows a RM (EBT SMB
VHB) consist trailing behind what I presume was the original SUVA
coach (RIC).
Is that the same coach that today belongs to Club Bm 22-70? https://www.schnellzugwagen.ch/assets/images/image008.jpg
yes, new number 56 85 89-70 401-0 CH-CBm

While we are discussing SUVA, what is the current disposition of the
former UIC-Z2 Bpm converted into the second SUVA coach? http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/car/wheelchair/sbb19990121A.jpg
Kaiseraugst March 2019

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Question about a Photo

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.04.2020 um 21:51 schrieb Guerbetaler:

Am 15.04.2020 um 04:19 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
Today, this photo was posted on rail pictures.net.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/732768/ It shows a RM (EBT SMB
VHB) consist trailing behind what I presume was the original SUVA
coach (RIC).
Is that the same coach that today belongs to Club Bm 22-70? https://www.schnellzugwagen.ch/assets/images/image008.jpg
yes, new number 56 85 89-70 401-0 CH-CBm

While we are discussing SUVA, what is the current disposition of the
former UIC-Z2 Bpm converted into the second SUVA coach? http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/car/wheelchair/sbb19990121A.jpg
Kaiseraugst March 2019
Markus, Gürbetal


Question about a Photo

csipromo
 

Today, this photo was posted on rail pictures.net. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/732768/
It shows a RM (EBT SMB VHB) consist trailing behind what I presume was the original SUVA coach (RIC).

Is that the same coach that today belongs to Club Bm 22-70?
https://www.schnellzugwagen.ch/assets/images/image008.jpg

While we are discussing SUVA, what is the current disposition of the former UIC-Z2 Bpm converted into the second SUVA coach?
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/SBB_CFF_FFS/car/wheelchair/sbb19990121A.jpg

Regards

Mike C


Re: SBB Booklets

glyn.jones
 

At one time the Swiss Railways Society used to give members a free copy with
one of the editions of their magazine "Swiss Express".

Glyn

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Re: SBB Booklets

Guerbetaler
 

Am 13.04.2020 um 12:19 schrieb Martin Baumann:
That was the "Kursbuch für Eisenbahnfreunde" If you put that into
google you can see pictures and further details
I think the last edition was 1991/92. It was followed by an A4 Booklet "Aus der Sicht des Lokomotivführers / Voir avec le mécanicien 1992/93". I think this was discontinued.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: SBB Booklets

Martin Baumann
 

That was the "Kursbuch für Eisenbahnfreunde" If you put that into google you can see pictures and further details


SBB Booklets

stephenhorobin
 

Does anyone remember the free booklets available from SBB stations?
One listed trains you could sit next to the driver.
The other listed historical trains which worked limited mainly freight services.

My best journey next to the driver was over the Loetschberg route in a diverted TEE 'Grey Mouse' from Lausanne to Milano. There had been one heck of a afternoon storm in the Valais. When I finally got back to my hotel I had to bang on the door as the proprietor had gone to bed!

This year would have been my 35th consecutive year of visiting Switzerland I'm hoping that normal travelling will be restored by the end of the year.

Best wishes to all
Steve.


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 11.04.2020 um 16:46 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
the rolling stock initially went to the SOB (2 BDe 4/4 and a single
Bt Pilot coach). One BDe 4/4 went to DSF. I am not certain whether
the second one was used for parts or went intact elsewhere. The pilot
coach remained in use by the SOB as BDt 199 until it's withdrawal.
BDe 4/4 2 at DSF is the only surviving. 1 was scrapped 2004, the driving trailer in 2014.

<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAV-Triebwagen>

But most of the other vehicles are still there.

B 25 and 26
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleinstiegswagen_(Schweiz,_Normalspur)#Bauart_WM_1948>

Em 2/2 101 and 102
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG/BBC_Em_2/2>

BDe 4/4 3 ex STB

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 11.04.2020 um 17:14 schrieb Mick Sasse:
the section on to Dietikon is more "interurban" style light rail
... and so was the rolling stock. But BD was the first of the "interurbans" in Switzerland to switch completely to EMU operation. In 1969 they got 9 articulated railcars, all 8 axles motorized!, which could work in MU. That was quite a change.

It's true that FLP introduced articulated railcars in 1968, and FART even in 1959, but they were not able to MU and had coaches added when required.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Mick Sasse
 

It's an interesting line, even if the 3-rail section at the western end is now no more; Bremgarten looks quite an attractive town (I've only been through it on the train!), with a viaduct over the Reuss - the section on to Dietikon is more "interurban" style light rail, following the line of the (rather serpentine!) road closely and with street-running at the Dietikon end.

Mick

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Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

csipromo
 

I remember looking into this when I saw the WM (Wohlen-Meisterschwanden) Triebwagen that Hag used to offer. That part of Switzerland was one that I had not visited when we lived there, so I was unfamiliar with the railroad. The WM and BD at some point merged to form BDWM (Bremgarten-Dietikon-Wohlen-Meisterschwarden Bahn). The line from Dietikon to Bremgarten was narrow gauge. The line from Wohlen to Meisterschwanden was normal gauge.

At some point in the 1990s, the WM line to (Fahrwangen) Meisterschwanden was abandoned (at Villmergen), the rolling stock initially went to the SOB (2 BDe 4/4 and a single Bt Pilot coach). One BDe 4/4 went to DSF. I am not certain whether the second one was used for parts or went intact elsewhere. The pilot coach remained in use by the SOB as BDt 199 until it's withdrawal.

<http://www.eingestellte-bahnen.ch/23011/23032.html>

I remember noting the narrow gauge tracks in Dietikon. That was my only actual experience of this railroad.

Regards

Mike C


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

John Lovda
 

The pictures from the Aargau Verkehr website are really nice. If I have a off day on my next trip I may stop in Bremgarten. Thanks for all your replies!

John


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Thomas
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:53 AM, Guerbetaler wrote:

When I
answer Gordon's mail, it appears like this:

Am 03.04.2020 um 01:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:
On the group page the correct time & date also appears. That means that it took 6 days for that e-mail to reach the group! It would probably have been faster by postal mail, even under the current circumstances.

What is amazing is the time it took for the mainstream press and the German police to realize that the chunk of bridge which was hit by the train on its journey south could not have come from the new bridge which is even further south from the position where the train and chunk had come to halt, especially given that no chunks of the new bridge were missing and that photographers of the said press were able to stand on that bridge in order to take pictures of the accident site.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 18:55 schrieb Thomas:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 02:42 PM, gordonwis wrote:
Some confusion as to whether
There's really no confusion about the fact
At the time when Gordon wrote his mail, there may still have been some confusion about some facts. Please be aware that mails are not always sent at the moment when you receive them. There may be hours or days between sending and receiving for several reasons. Unfortunately this fact isn't always obvious. If you use a good mail-program, it is possible to distinguish between time sent and time received. When I answer Gordon's mail, it appears like this:

Am 03.04.2020 um 01:54 schrieb gordonwis via groups.io:

Markus


Re: Driver killed in BLS collision in Germany

Thomas
 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 02:42 PM, gordonwis wrote:


Some confusion as to whether the bridge was being demolished or is under
construction
There's realy no confusion about the fact that the piece fell off the old bridge which was being dismantled. The new replacement bridge is located south of where the train came to stop.

Rgds, Thomas.


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:57 schrieb Guerbetaler:
1912 for Bremgarten - Wohlen. This bit was between Bremgarten West
and Wohlen erected by putting a third rail to the existing standard
gauge track, which persisted for freight traffic.
another odd detail: Wohlen - Bremgarten was a formally independent railway company, opening on 1st September 1876. Its two locomotives were built by the SCB workshops Olten as number 26 and 27. The line was operated by the SCB and nationalized in 1902. Still today the right-of-way belongs to SBB, but every ballast stone on it is owned by AVA.

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Hans L.
 

First question: It's the Bremgarten-Dietikon-Bahn, meter-gauge passenger train.

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Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:57 schrieb Guerbetaler:
The tracks belong to the AVA-line S17 Dietikon - Bremgarten AG - Wohlen
Some recent pictures by the company here:
<https://www.aargauverkehr.ch/unternehmen/medien/pr>

S17 Dietikon - Wohlen has the ABe 4/8 5000 series, other trains are for the S14 Aarau - Schöftland and Menziken.

Maybe an odd detail: S17 is a Zürich S-Bahn number (starting point Dietikon is in the canton of Zürich), while S14 is a number of Northwestern Switzerland (Basel/Aarau/Olten/Delémont).

Markus, Gürbetal


Re: Narrow gauge train by Wohlen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 17:47 schrieb John Lovda via groups.io:
I have been watching YouTube videos of SBB train cab rides. On a
video riding S25 the train passed some narrow gauge tracks going off
from Wohlen. I followed these tracks on Google Maps and they seem to
lead to Bremgarten. What railroad is this? Is it passenger or freight
only? Anything interesting on this route?
The tracks belong to the AVA-line S17 Dietikon - Bremgarten AG - Wohlen, former BDWM transport, former Bremgarten-Dietikon-Bahn (BD), opened in 1902 for Dietikon - Bremgarten and 1912 for Bremgarten - Wohlen. This bit was between Bremgarten West and Wohlen erected by putting a third rail to the existing standard gauge track, which persisted for freight traffic. All rail freight traffic between Dietikon and Wohlen has ceased and the standard gauge track was lifted last year.

Second question. When an S Bahn train is heading toward Zürich HB
after stopping at Stadelhofen can it only go to the Museumstrasse
Station (41-44) or is there a switch in the tunnel allowing it to go
to the Lowenstrasse Station (31-34) as well?
No, there is no connection.

Markus, Gürbetal

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