MOB orders dual-gauge Golden Pass cars


Toma Bacic
 

So, MOB orders dual-gauge Golden Pass passenger cars!

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/traction-rolling-stock/single-view/view/mob-orders-dual-gauge-golden-pass-fleet.html

"Montreux-Oberland Bahn has ordered a fleet of 20 gauge-changing coaches to
operate through services between Montreux and Interlaken. To be marketed as
GoldenPass Express, the service is due to be launched by MOB and its
partner BLS from the timetable change in December 2020.
To be built by Stadler, MOB’s gauge-changing fleet will have panoramic
windows, continuing a tradition which has helped attract tourists to the
62·4 km Montreux – Zweisimmen route since 1976. The cars will be mounted on
newly-developed gauge-changing bogies supplied by Alstom in Germany. These
will initially be mounted under existing cars for a period of trials that
will start as soon as gauge-changing facilities have been completed at the
break of gauge in Zweisimmen.
Work has been in progress to rebuild the station at Zweisimmen since 2015,
and gauge-changers should be operational on two tracks ‘by autumn 2018’.
MOB says that extensive testing of the gauge-changing equipment will be
required before it is approved for commercial operation, delaying the
launch of through services beyond the most recently planned start date of
late 2019. In particular, MOB will need to demonstrate the reliability of
the gauge-changing facilities in winter conditions.
Plans envisage that MOB will haul the through trains over the metre gauge
900 V DC line between Montreux and Zweisimmen using two-car Series 9000
sets also supplied by Stadler. BLS will provide motive power for the
1 435 mm gauge part of the route between Zweisimmen and Interlaken Ost,
which is electrified at 15 kV 16·7 Hz."

Now - one of the interesting questions is how many MOB Ge4/4 will be sold
(and when) to the RhB?

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toma



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tudor erich
 

Would the RhB want such engines?
How much might it cost to change all the electrical gear to the RhB standard?
How much might it cost to change to the signalling regime of the RhB?
With so many EMU sets on order from Stadler JUST how much work might there be for RhB locomotives?
Bernard
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OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 12.03.2018 um 16:00 schrieb Toma Bacic:
Now - one of the interesting questions is how many MOB Ge4/4 will be
sold (and when) to the RhB?
8002 and 8003 by the end of 2018 and 2019


Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.03.2018 um 16:47 schrieb tudoryork:
Would the RhB want such engines?
They do want, they will be 653-654

How much might it cost to change all the electrical gear to the RhB
standard?
Not so much more than the renewal of the electrical gear of 641-652

How much might it cost to change to the signalling regime of the
RhB?
Not more than installing ZSI-127 on 641-652, as RhB is introducing a new standard

With so many EMU sets on order from Stadler JUST how much work might
there be for RhB locomotives?
Two more locomotives are needed to put a locomotive at each end of the Vereina shuttles. This will allow the trains to better keep the required speed and it will increase the chance that a train will reach the tunnel portal after a fire broke out.


Krist van Besien
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 23:57 Markus guerbetaler@sunrise.ch [SwissRail] <
SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


How much might it cost to change all the electrical gear to the RhB
standard?
Not so much more than the renewal of the electrical gear of 641-652
I would however suspect that converting from DC to AC is not trivial. For
example, a transformer will need to be added.

Krist


Vincent LE BIHAN
 

As these locomotives were built, extending the meter gauge tracks to
Interlaken and connecting with the Brünig line was still planned. So
everything was made ready to convert them easily to the dual-system
locomotives: DC for the MOB line and AC for BLS and Brünig lines: place is
reserved for a transformer and the wiring can be adapted to AC only
operation.


Vincent <https://twitter.com/#!/VincentLeBihan>


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2018-03-14 11:29 GMT+01:00 Krist van Besien krist.vanbesien@gmail.com
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 23:57 Markus guerbetaler@sunrise.ch [SwissRail] <
SwissRail@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


How much might it cost to change all the electrical gear to the RhB
standard?
Not so much more than the renewal of the electrical gear of 641-652
I would however suspect that converting from DC to AC is not trivial. For
example, a transformer will need to be added.

Krist

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OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 14.03.2018 um 11:29 schrieb Krist van Besien:
I would however suspect that converting from DC to AC is not trivial.
For example, a transformer will need to be added.
From the design of these locomotives, adding a transformer would do. The space for it is reserved, it had been filled with a dummy load.

But as RhB is planning the complete renewal of the electric traction gear, it is more logic to use these same components also for the two former MOB locomotives, which will reduce importantly the differences between the sub-series. (641-649, 650-652, 653-654)

MOB will strip the electric traction gear from the two the locomotives and keep it as spare parts. This will allow to keep 8001 and 8004 going without important renewal.

Markus, Gürbetal


Martin Baumann
 

As reported by Eisenbahn Amateur 5/2018 the order consists of

8 Ast [ First Class Driving Trailer)

4 A [ First Class ]

2 B [ Standard Class ]

3 WR [ Dining Car ]

In addition there will be three transition coaches, standard gauge only, which will be operated between the dual gauge train and the BLS motive power. (It is not stated if there is passenger accommodation in these three vehicles)

Stadler is building the vehicles except the dual gauge bogies which were ordered separately from Alstom

It is intended that dual gauge operation will start in December 2020


Martin Baumann
 

More details from SER:

First Class Driving Trailer Ast 181 to 188 30 seats including 9 swivelling "VIP" seats

First Class Bs 191 to 194 36 seats

Restaurant Car WRs 261 to 263 29 seats

Standard 281 and 282 Bs 56 seats

Transition Car Bs 291 to 293 56 seats These will only work on the standard gauge between Zweisimmen and Interlaken

The service will require 3 7 coach trains which will each include an earlier coach from series B 231 to 234 to guarantee a low floor entrance and PRM toilet facility