SBB Steuerwagen BDt (EWI, EWII) Question


Martin Baumann
 

Thanks, SBB record keeping is not what it was


Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.01.2021 um 16:11 schrieb Martin Baumann:
When was 92-33 939 withdrawn?
02.03.2006


Martin Baumann
 

When was 92-33 939 withdrawn? It is not mentioned in the list above. It was still in stock 01.01.2003 but was not 01.01.2009. It is missing from the VRS pdf files.


Guerbetaler
 

The BDt with smoker compartment were needed for Bellinzona - Locarno fast trains and the Aargau RE, starting in May 1999.

34 900 ??.1999 ex 33 993 ex 20-34 453/92-33 959
34 901 05.1999 ex 33 994 ex 20-34 449/92-33 948
34 902 06.1999 ex 33 995 ex 20-34 444/92-33 957
34 903 06.1999 ex 33 996 ex 20-34 455/92-33 941
34 904 07.1999 ex 20-34 459 / 92-33 958
34 905 07.1999 ex 20-34 452 / 92-33 950

82-34 900 was probably renumbered when it got the Aargau design. But the renumbering wasn't reported in Eisenbahn-Amateur.

Markus, Gürbetal


Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.04.2020 um 11:44 schrieb Martin Baumann:
82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from
82-33 967 and 973
as I wrote earlier, they were 82-34 906 and 907

In fact, 82-33 901-909 never existed. 82-33 900 was the very first light steel driving trailer, to go with Re 4/4'. It still exists with SBBH.

The EW II series started at 82-33 910. At that time, SBB usually started different series with a 0 as eleventh digit.

Same for Dt and DZt. There were in total five Dt and DZt that followed the above mentioned BDt:

1948 CFt4ü 991 > 1955 renumbered
CFt4ü 990 > 1990 > BDt 50 85 82-33 900
1955
Ft4ü 991 > 1991 > Dt 50 85 92-22 900
Ft4ü 992 > 1992 > Dt 50 85 92-22 901
Ft4ü 993 > 1993 > Dt 50 85 92-22 902
FZt4ü 994 > 1994 > DZt 50 85 92-22 900
FZt4ü 995 > 1995 > DZt 50 85 92-22 901

So the EW I DZt got numbers from 91-33 910

Markus, Gürbetal


Martin Baumann
 

900 to 903 were ex 993 to 996

900 to 905 had the cab from a Dt as follows

900 cab from 92-33 959
901 cab from 92-33 948
902 cab from 92-33 957
903 cab from 92-33 941
904 cab from 92-33 958
905 cab from 92-33 950

82-33 906 and 907 for the Simplon car trains were renumbered from 82-33 967 and 973


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
The Jail Train 901/902 had previously been converted to BDt or were
the directly converted to St?
You can easily see from this picture, that they were direct conversions, keeping much of the Dt shape:

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/photo/46680/7?p=Created,,,100,2,0,0>

This photo isn't my work. It seems that many photos were attributed to my name in the transfer process to groups.io, because I had named the folders. Please, can those who recognize their photos tell me to credit them correctly. This is now possible (a function that had not been available originally).

Markus, Gürbetal


Guerbetaler
 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 09:36 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:
Second rebuild started in 1998:
BDt 50 85 82-33 981 - 996
BDt 50 85 82-34 900 - 905
Nobody asked why SBB stopped numbering at 33 996 and continued at 34 900. There was a reason for this. Regio and S-Bahn trains no longer had smoker compartments at this time. But RE, IR and IC had kept them. As it was planned to use some of these driving trailers in REs, 6 of them were allowed for smokers. So the 82-34 driving trailers were assigned to REs.

Markus, Gürbetal


gordonwis
 

BLS 938 at Spiez, April 2008

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=46608>


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Which ones were used with Re 4/4II in the early 1980s? Was it always
EWII Dt or also EWII BDt? I am trying to reproduce consists with EWII
Comfortwagen (1980s) and Papagei/Mixed (1990s)
EA 8/1995 says there were
5 Re 4/4“-3 cars-Dt (St-lmier—)Sonceboz—Moutier,
Delémont—Boncourt and Biel—Le Locle (Dt side Biel)

5 Re 4/4“-5 cars-Dt Biel— Bern — Neuchätel and Le Locle (via Neuchätel and Biel, Dt side Chambrelien), also Bern —Thun. (photo shows plain green, comofort, Papagei and NPZ in the same consist!)

Re 4/4“-Pendel from Winterthur—Schaffhausen and most from Winterthur—Wil transfered to St. Gallen —Altstätten

Thus everything with Dt, all BDt still in use with RBe.

Markus


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Which ones were used with Re 4/4II in the early 1980s? Was it always
EWII Dt or also EWII BDt? I am trying to reproduce consists with EWII
Comfortwagen (1980s) and Papagei/Mixed (1990s)
EA 3/1982: Im Zürcher Vorortverkehr läuft seit Spätherbst 1981 ein Re 4/4 II-BDt-Pendel. Diese seit kurzem mit einigen Einschränkungen erlaubte Traktion hat den Rückzug der RABDe 8/16 für Änderungsarbeiten erlaubt.

= Re"-BDt-consist replaces Chiquita EMU

EA 1/1985: Die durch Umbau (R4) aus B' gewonnenen sechs Steuerwagen BDt 82-33 950—955 (EA 8/84) werden ebenfalls in Re 4/4II und RBe 4/4-Pendeln eingesetzt.

= 6 BDt ex B EW I for Re" and RBe

EA 10/1985: Bei den Steuerwagen BDt, DZt und Bt (NPZ), die mit
den Re 4/4II-Lok zusammenarbeiten können, wird die Strombegrenzung für das Beschleunigen bei Geschwindigkeiten über 45 km/h aufgehoben, womit
Fahrzeitverluste vermieden werden. Unterhalb dieser Schwelle wirkt die Begrenzung nach wie vor damit bei geschobenen Zügen in engen Kurven das Entgleisungsrisiko beseitigt wird.

= Driving trailers altered so that power restriction in push-mode ends at 45 km/h

EA 2/1986: Die Einheitssteuerwagen DZt und BDt dürfen auch als Spitzenfahrzeug mit 140 km/h verkehren.

= DZt and BDt allowed 140 km/h at the head of trains (RBe are limited to 125 km/h)

EA 5/1986: Mini-Pendel Re 4/4II-B-BDt auf der Strecke Lyss—
Solothurn am 31. 3. 1986 wegen Mangels an RBe 4/4 und RBDe 4/4

= Re"-B-BDt replaces RBe Lyss-Solothurn

EA 5/1987: Die aus EW 1 B umgebauten Steuerwagen BDt erhalten
rotgestrichene Stirnwände.

= BDt ex B EW I will get red cab front


Martin Baumann
 
Edited

82-34 900 was the Zugkraft Aargau BDt The other coaches were

B 20-33 319
B 20-33 320
B 20-33 322
A 18-35 049


Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.04.2020 um 00:57 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
The locomotive number 11108 confirms that this was a train operated
by the SBB and not one of the Re 4/4II sold to BLS.
And the SBB logo on the Dt says the same. The Dt on hire by BLS had a BLS logo.

Markus, Gürbetal


csipromo
 

The locomotive number 11108 confirms that this was a train operated by the SBB and not one of the Re 4/4II sold to BLS.

Regards

Mike C


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:03 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Which ones were used with Re 4/4II in the early 1980s? Was it always
EWII Dt or also EWII BDt? I am trying to reproduce consists with EWII
Comfortwagen (1980s) and Papagei/Mixed (1990s)
In 1990 was the start of S-Bahn Zürich and almost all RBe and driving trailers had to go there to help until enough double deckers were delivered. S-Bahn consists were
RBe-A-B-BDt
RBe-A-B-Dt
RBe-B-A-B-B-Dt

This left 5 RBe + DZt 910-15 for Biel and
6 RBe 1401-06 + Dt 954-59 for Luzern/Seetal
All other RBe were in Zürich.

As there was not an important reserve for some time, Re 4/4" had to step in in case of defects. I remember an S2 which was normally made up of three RBe-A-B-BDt to have one Re 4/4" instead of the RBe.

At that time there were 80 driving trailers with IIId, 35 BDt and 45 Dt. There were exactly two Dt left for Re 4/4" push-pull Winterthur - Schaffhausen: Re"-B-B-B-A-Dt. Apart from that, only EW III went with the locomotives.

Markus


gordonwis
 

It wasn't a passenger service train so no need for the coach to be a 'normal coach'. It was quite a consist - the loco being Swiss Express 11108. You can see the coach from the other end in my previous shot


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 16:33 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Probably the radio measuring car.
For photos, including BDt ex ABt go here:

<https://blog24.jimdofree.com/diverses-bis-2011/sbb-funkmesswagen/>


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 16:33 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Probably the radio measuring car.
From SBB home page:
Programm Funkmesswagen.

Der Einsatz des Funkmesswagens wird durch das Operation Center Technik der Infrastruktur SBB koordiniert.

Technische Daten.
Funkmesswagen MEWA 1997
Fahrzeugnummer: X 60 85 9973109-8
Länge über Puffer: 26.4 Meter
Höhe (inkl. Antennen): 4.4 Meter
Breite: 2.825 Meter
Gewicht (Brutto): 45t
Bremse: O-PR (GS)
Bremsgewicht: 57 Tonnen
Abstand Drehgestell: 19 Meter
Vielfachsteuerung: Typ IIId und EP-Leitung
Basis: Bm 51 85 22-70 026-0

Technische Daten.
Funkmesswagen MEWA 2012
Fahrzeugnummer: X 60 85 99-90 108-9
Länge über Puffer: 26.4 Meter
Höhe (inkl. Antennen): 4.4 Meter
Breite: 2.825 Meter
Gewicht (Brutto): 49t
Bremse: O-PR-Mg (D)
Bremsgewicht: P=51 Tonnen, R=69 Tonnen
Abstand Drehgestell: 18.6 Meter
Vielfachsteuerung: Durchgangskabel Vst 3d
Basis: B 50 85 21-73 199-4

(not every digit is correct ...)


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 16:33 schrieb Guerbetaler:
Probably the radio measuring car.
This evening, when I sat in the home office canteen, aka kitchen, I saw the Sperry ultrasonic rail measuring train passing by. It remeinded me of a photo that I had made some time ago. The measuring container is on a container carrying wagon between an Re 4/4" and a BDt". The BDt has obviously been adapted for its new use. BDt 50 85 82-33 925

<https://groups.io/g/SwissRail/album?id=244061>

Markus, Gürbetal


Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.04.2020 um 15:34 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
The photo (gordonwis) snows
Yes it snowed here a few days ago, but I think it wasn't Gordon, who snowed.

Enjoy a calm spring evening!
Markus

(For Americans: This was a joke. You can delete it.)