BDe 4/4 Photo


csipromo
 

I found this photo by J Vernet of a BDe 4/4 and an EWI Steuerwagen.
What makes this interesting is that the Steuerwagen is a Bt. The first class section has been replaced by second class.
Was this during regular operation?

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/jvernet/49376004/in/group/311351

Regards

Mike C


Martin Baumann
 

The Steuerwagen were built by FFA in 1959 as ABt4ü 1721 to 1742 (after 1963 just ABt) and then 50 85 38-33 900 to 921

901 to 905 were converted to second class only as Bt 28-33 901 to 905. I don't have a date for this conversion Markus probably does


csipromo
 

I found no information on Bt 28-33 901-905 in SBB Reisezug- und Gepäckwagen (1997). In the description of BDt 960-980 (ex-ABt 900-921), it gives the revision dates of 1993-1996.

Peter Willen's Lokomotiven und Triebwagen (OF 1988) mentions Bt 28-33 901-905 as paired with BDe 4/4 along with ABt 37-03 900-919 (Lightsteel), ABt 38-33 906-921 (EWI), ABt 38-33 930-937 (ex AB LS) and Bt 19-33 900-902

Perhaps Markus can elaborate on when they were converted to Bt, for what purpose/route was this done, and whether they remained as such until conversion to BDt?

Regards

Mike C


Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.12.2021 um 18:52 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The Steuerwagen were built by FFA in 1959 as ABt4ü 1721 to 1742 (after 1963 just ABt) and then 50 85 38-33 900 to 921
901 to 905 were converted to second class only as Bt 28-33 901 to 905. I don't have a date for this conversion  Markus probably does
The conversion was for six driving trailers 28-33 900 - 905 . It was one of the most useless moves of SBB in order to "save money on secondary lines". Many private railways had done the same move, but at a moment where new rolling stock was ordered and building it without first saved some money. Most companies have since reintroduced first class, as the distribution of national fares depends on the fact if they have first class or not. I don't have a full list, but some examples: BAM (MBC) and YSC (Travys) on delivery of ACMV-Be 4/4 1981, EBT/VHB/SMB (RM-BLS) on delivery of RBDe 4/4' 1973, CJ on delivery of CFe 4/4 601-608 1953, GFM (TPF) on delivery of Be 4/4 151-152 1977. CJ was one of the first to reintroduce with BDe 4/4 611-614/ABt 711-14 1985.

Now, SBB didn't have matching rolling stock and thus first had costs to change EW I ABt 38-33 900-905 to Bt in June 1976 as light steel ABt 37-03 900-919, which originally had compartments of the same length in first and second class, had just been modernized a few years ago (about 1970-75). Only on lines like Herzogenbuchsee-Solothurn it was simple, as the Re 4/4' just pulled two B.

Also ABt 1801-02 of Genève - La Plaine lost the first class at the revision 1977/78 and returned as Bt, later 50 85 29-07 901 and 902.

A real move towards cost-cutting was the introduction of self-service (so called "one man trains" = only the driver). Three light steel coaches were rebuilt as Bt 29-33 900-902 in 1980 and 81. They were used on Vevey - Puidoux and Olten - Sissach (old Hauenstein). Withdrawn 1991/97 and replaced with NPZ. 1987 two driving trailers were needed for Vallorbe - Le Brassus and light steel ABt 37-03 918 - 919 rebuilt as Bt 27-03 918 and 919. They were later used on Travers - Pontarlier and St-Maurice - St-Gingolph. Withdrawn 1995/97.

Markus, Gürbetal



Martin Baumann
 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:37 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:


The conversion was for six driving trailers 28-33 900 - 905
The VRS Mutationen 1995 pdf says that 82-33 960 was converted from 38-33 900. Was 900 converted back to ABt or did it in fact remain ABt until 1995?


Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.12.2021 um 16:50 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The VRS Mutationen 1995 pdf says that 82-33 960 was converted from 38-33 900.  Was 900 converted back to ABt or did it in fact remain ABt until 1995?
It seems that it was converted back around 1980 (when the light steel Bt arrived), but I'm still searching more evidence. Conversion of 28-33 901 and 902 ot BDt is documented but I can't find 903, 904 and 905.

Markus, Gürbetal