Car driver causes derailment


Martin Baumann
 

22.02.2021

Car got onto tracks and was hit by 502 009 and 502 014 014 was derailed Nobody on the trains was injured. (This was not a crossing collision)

https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/ereignisse/2021-02-23/schwerverletzte-autofahrerin-nach-kollision-mit-zug-nahe-winterthur (German)


csipromo
 

If the woman drove on to the tracks, are there some kind of sensors that would have detected this intrusion onto the system at some point?
I have heard of accidents where a car ran off the road and on to neighbouring tracks or where a car slid down a hill and ended up on the tracks.
In North America, there have been incidents where people mistakenly or drunkenly turned onto tracks at crossings.

Regards

Mike C


Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.02.2021 um 18:49 schrieb csipromo via groups.io:
If the woman drove on to the tracks, are there some kind of sensors
that would have detected this intrusion onto the system at some
point? I have heard of accidents where a car ran off the road and on
to neighbouring tracks or where a car slid down a hill and ended up
on the tracks. In North America, there have been incidents where
people mistakenly or drunkenly turned onto tracks at crossings.
At a few places detecting systems exist to find out if any obstacle is between the gates of a level crossing, at the moment when the gates are closing. Such a system makes sense where car drivers are in a situation that they might have to stop near a level crossing because of traffic density. However, basically the law says that a driver has to stop before a level crossing, if it isn't sure that he/she can pass. But have you often seen car drivers thinking more than 5 m ahead? ;-)

In the case of Schottikon such a system would have been useless as the car wasn't stuck between the gates but (probably) had left the level crossing and driven on 1.3 km. That's so unusual that there is no system to detect this. It's a once-in-hundred-years event.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&E=2704512&N=1262586&zoom=9&crosshair=marker

There was a collision of a BLS NINA with a car about 1 km from where I live. A female driver wanted to turn left in thick fog but got the railway track instead of the parallel street. She realized immediately what happened and left the car, trying to phone the police. But it was too late, the train was already approaching. The train driver couldn't see the car because of the fog and it was inevitably that the car was smashed. Nobody was injured.

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&&E=2605504&N=1185862&zoom=9&crosshair=marker

So, if it happens, why would you continue on the track for 1.3 km?

Markus, gürbetal


csipromo
 

Would it be a case of somebody trying to cross the tracks where there was no crossing or was it more likely a case where she had ended up driving along the tracks (either on the line or between tracks) and could not get out/off?

I remember reading about a few times where cars went off roads and ended up on the tracks, but driving on the tracks is rare, unless you have a properly equipped Unimog/pickup/truck.

Regards

Mike C


George Raymond
 

In the case of Schottikon such a system would have been useless as the car wasn't stuck between the gates but (probably) had left the level crossing and driven on 1.3 km. That's so unusual that there is no system to detect this. It's a once-in-hundred-years event.
https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&E=2704512&N=1262586&zoom=9&crosshair=marker

So, if it happens, why would you continue on the track for 1.3 km?
Markus, thanks for the map. No matter which direction you are driving, you have to make 90-degree turns just before and after the level crossing. So in the dark, and possibly drunk or otherwise impaired, the driver (who was either somewhat familiar with the area or guided by GPS) might have thought the ballast and rails were part of a road work project. Perhaps GPS systems should somehow warn road drivers that they are on a level crossing or tracks.

George




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Neil Aitken \(gmail\)
 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 06:40 AM, csipromo wrote:


Would it be a case of somebody trying to cross the tracks where there was no
crossing or was it more likely a case where she had ended up driving along the
tracks (either on the line or between tracks) and could not get out/off?

I remember reading about a few times where cars went off roads and ended up on
the tracks, but driving on the tracks is rare, unless you have a properly
equipped Unimog/pickup/truck.

Regards

Mike C
It happened to a Cross Country colleague of mine about 5 years ago. No monitoring or detection on the crossing when the barriers were raised for road use and some idiot drove down the track, parked up and hid in the bushes to watch what happened! My mate was doing 100mph coming over Clay Mills crossing but luckily the unit stayed on the track and there were no injuries......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-qcji2na0

Neil


Max Wyss
 

A similar accident happened some years (20 or so) ago in Zürich on the Löwenstrasse, where a car got smushed between two trams.

So, as you say, it is a very rare event.

Max.





Mick Sasse
 

And of course it also happened in Octopussy, with apparent damage only to the car.....

;-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6KmyRm8w 


Martin Baumann
 

The worst one was Great Heck in England:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash