MOB and service provision.


tudor erich
 

Re DZe 2001 and 2002. Are these units used in regular service? In
1981 I was hauled by one on the 5 coach panoramic express out of
Montreux. Photos in published sources seem not to show the units very
often, and then mostly on freights. What has been their use since
1992 on the line, specifically, did they work regular diagrms in 1992
and 1993?
Also the 6000 series GDe. There are 4 machines only. Our list
moderator has stated that until May 1994 there were dedicated freight
trains with a 6000 as power, and that a 6000 had to be at the
Zwisimmen end of the line for freight work. What duties did these
perform, was it the case that they worked passenger trains as well as
freight? How did the MOB power the Panoramic sets (2 each way each
day) around these freight commitments. Interesting but not of earth
shattering importance I know. Perhaps I need to stand and watch for a
whole day on the lineside somewhere, BUT there are now new loks and
local sets available which will alter what I see.......
How was heavy and routine maintenance fitted in with the regulat
timetable, and what, if any, spare power was available in case of
emergency or accident damage?
Thank You.


Stefan Dringenberg <std@...>
 

tudoryork@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Re DZe 2001 and 2002. Are these units used in regular service?
No, they are out of service for years now. 2001 is divided into some
parts. It can be found at the Montbovon depot. 2002 was the last DZe in
service and stand now in the outbuilding of Gstaad.

AFAIK a large company from Vevey will pay for the restauration of DZe
6/6 2001. Don't now when the work will begin...

Stefan
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tudor erich
 

Thank you for the reply. But were they in use in 1992
and 1993, or was it before this they were out of
service?
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Re DZe 2001 and 2002. Are these units used in
regular service? <BR>
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No, they are out of service for years now. 2001 is
divided into some <BR>
parts. It can be found at the Montbovon depot. 2002
was the last DZe in <BR>
service and stand now in the outbuilding of
Gstaad.<BR>
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AFAIK a large company from Vevey will pay for the
restauration of DZe <BR>
6/6 2001. Don't now when the work will begin...<BR>
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Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: <tudoryork@yahoo.co.uk>
Re DZe 2001 and 2002. Are these units used in regular service?
No longer. AFAIK regular use ended with delivery of GDe 4/4 6001-6004 in 1983.
2002 was, after 1979, occupied with freight work on the Zweisimmen side but
would also pull Panoramic Express to Lenk, if necessary. This unit got a
compressed air brake for transporter trucks. The two DZe 6/6 were kept as
possible replacement for GDe 4/4, being the only two series of MOB motive power
able to pull 5 panoramic coaches. When Ge 4/4 8001-8004 were delivered in 1995,
the DZe 6/6 could be released from such duties. AFAIK 2001 is stored, 2002
serves as historic engine.

Panoramic Express history:

1976 prototype coach: As 110
1979 first composition: As 111, Bs 220-221 and BDe 4/4 3005+3006 (3004 and 3003
were subsequently fitted with matching paint as replacements)
1982 second composition: As 112, Bs 222,224, Brs 223 usually pulled by a ABDe
8/8 4001-4004
1983 GDe 4/4 take over, fifth coach: As 114, Bs 225
1985 Superpanoramic-Express weekend first class only with BDe 4/4 3005, Ars 115
and Ast 116
1986 BDe 4/4 3006 and Ast 117 added to Superpanoramic-Express (3003/3004 could
be used as replacement), As 110 could be taken out of standard Panoramic comp.
on weekends and put in Superpanoramic.
1987 Bs 220-221 rebuilt with bar Brs 220-221
-- all coaches built to date have reused bogies, the following arrive with new
SIG bogies
1989,90,93 additional coaches Bs 226-227, As 117-118
1993 Crystal Panoramic weekend first class only with Breda coaches Arst 151-152
and As 153-154
1995 Golden Panoramic (1st and 2nd) with Ast 116-117, Brs 221 and Brs 228 ex Ars
115
-- painted in the new colours were GDe 4/4 6003 and 6004 but also 6001-6002
could be used.
2000 entirely new concept with "Golden Pass Panoramic" (GPP), using Ge 4/4
8003-8004, two driving trailers plus three (in necessary four) coaches, running
every day, all with 1st and 2nd class, without supplement and "Interregio" (IR)
with coaches of Panoramic stock.

formation of GPP:
Ast 116 or 117, both with cab direction Mx
Brs 221 or 228
Bs 229 or 230 ex As 111-112
Ge 4/4 8003 or 8004
Bs 226 or 227 if necessary (not yet in new livery)
Bs ex As 153-154
Arst 151 or 152, both with cab direction Zs
[source: SER 4-7/2000]

timetable:
GPP Mx 1028 - Zs 1215 / Zs 1244 - Mx 1428 / Mx 1628 - Zs 1815
GPP* Zs 1044 - Mx 1228 / Mx 1428 - Zs 1615 / Zs 1644 - Mx 1828
IR Zs 0944 - Mx 1128 / Mx 1228 - Zs 1415 / Zs 1444 - Mx 1628 / Mx 1828 - Zs 2015

GPP* does not run from 1 Nov - 30 April but is replaced with "standard"
Panoramic stock. This would mean that during this time period one more train
Zs - Mx must be run with GPP and one more train Mx - Zs with Panoramic stock.

In 1981 I was hauled by one on the 5 coach panoramic express
See list above, fifth panoramic coach only arrived 1982

[...] Also the 6000 series GDe. There are 4 machines only. Our list
moderator has stated that until May 1994 there were dedicated freight
trains with a 6000 as power, and that a 6000 had to be at the
Zwisimmen end of the line for freight work. [...]
was restricted to Saanen - Zweisimmen in the last years, so should have been the
same GDe doing both (transporter truck trains and freight train)

Perhaps I need to stand and watch for a
whole day on the lineside somewhere, [...]
even if you did it in 1993, you would have seen very different things in July
and in November. November you could meet Panoramic Express with 3005+3006,
because a GDe was on maintenance.

How was heavy and routine maintenance fitted in with the regulat
timetable, and what, if any, spare power was available in case of
emergency or accident damage?
Politics of MOB had always been to have all recent rolling stock available
during summer season (July-September). Maintenance of GDe would be made in
November, when trains could be reduced to three coaches. Until 1989 MOB did not
have replacement vehicles for Panoramic trains. If a coach had to go to the
shops, a standard coach would have been put in.

All trains limited to Les Avants or Gstaad/Ch�teau-d'Oex were operated with the
6 available push-pull compositions 3001-3002 and 5001-5004.

For through trains 4001-4004, a couple of 3003...3006, 2001-2002 and 6001-6004,
a total of 11 units, were available in 1994. 1993/94 timetable needed 7 of them,
3 ABDe 8/8 mainly for through trains calling at all the stations, 3 GDe 4/4 for
fast trains. 1 GDe 4/4 would do freight trains Mo-Fr and Crystal Panoramic
Sa/Su. Backup for GDe 4/4 were 2001-2002 and 3003...4004 off-season.

That is how I remind it and it can be confirmed with photos and timetables.

Markus Giger


Giger-Baumann <giger.baumann@...>
 

At least 2002 was in use in 1993/94. Do not know about 2001.

-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "tudor erich" <tudoryork@yahoo.co.uk>

Thank you for the reply. But were they in use in 1992
and 1993, or was it before this they were out of
service?