new trainsets for Mont Blanc Express


Toma Bacic
 

7 new Stadler trainsets class Z890

The new trains will be employed between Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet and Vallorcine, or all the way to Martigny?

regards
toma

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Vincent LE BIHAN
 

As these trainsets are described as "rack equipped", they will obviously run all the way to Martigny. 

Vincent 🇺🇦

Le jeu. 16 juin 2022 à 10:29, Toma Bacic <toma.bacic@...> a écrit :
7 new Stadler trainsets class Z890

The new trains will be employed between Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet and Vallorcine, or all the way to Martigny?

regards
toma

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Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.06.2022 um 09:58 schrieb Toma Bacic:
7 new Stadler trainsets class Z890
Please note that there will only be 4 Z890, plus 3 Beh 4/8. They will replace
BDeh 4/8 1-3 (Z 801/02-805/06) and 21-22 (821/22-823/24) plus the remaining BDeh 4/4.

They will not replace Z851-56 (1861/851/1862 etc.) introduced 2006-08
and Beh 4/8 71-72, introduced 2012.

The six Z850 are not rack-equipped and will maintain St-Gervais - Chamonix services.

Note: In France each part of an EMU gets its own number, in Switzerland there is a number for the whole trainset. NVR numbers are:

94 87 0000 801-4 + 94 87 0000 802-2
94 87 0000 803-0 + 94 87 0000 804-8
94 87 0000 805-5 + 94 87 0000 806-3
90 85 838 0821-1
90 85 838 0822-9

94 87 0000 851-9+94 87 0001 851-8+94 87 0001 852-6
94 87 0000 852-7+94 87 0001 853-4+94 87 0001 854-2
94 87 0000 853-5+94 87 0001 855-9+94 87 0001 856-7
94 87 0000 854-3+94 87 0001 857-5+94 87 0001 858-3
94 87 0000 855-0+94 87 0001 859-1+94 87 0001 860-9
94 87 0000 856-8+94 87 0001 861-7+94 87 0001 862-5

90 85 838 0871-6
90 85 838 0872-4

Markus


Toma Bacic
 

The new trains are jointly financed by SNCF, Transports de Martigny et Régions and the Valais canton?

regards
toma


Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.06.2022 um 14:09 schrieb Toma Bacic:
The new trains are jointly financed by SNCF, Transports de Martigny et Régions and the Valais canton?
No, the article you linked gives the answer:
3 trains are financed by TMR and 4 trains by région Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes

The yearly costs including costs of rolling stock on Swiss territory are cofinanced by the canton of Valais (37%) and the Confederation (63%), as far as earnings are not sufficient.

Markus, Gürbetal


Toma Bacic
 

Since my knowledge of the Martigny - Châtelard - Vallorcine - Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet line is almost non-existent, I have additional questions:
- TMR is the operator and rolling stock owner on the Swiss, and SNCF on the French side, right?
- Swiss side operations (and the new rolling stock) are subsidied by Valais canton and confederation?
- the new Stadler trains will have pantographs and third rail shoes, right?
- are there interoperability on the line - are French trainsets run over the Swiss part of the line and vice versa?

Thank you and regards
toma


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Vincent LE BIHAN
 

SNCF is the owner of the superstructure and, for the moment, operator of the line.  The region Rhône-Alpes buys the rolling stock and designates the operator: there may a change in the near future and another company become operator in place of the SNCF.
To run in Switzerland, the rolling stock has to be rack-equipped: some french trainsets are not and, thus, passengers have sometimes to change trains at the border.


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Le ven. 17 juin 2022 à 13:02, Toma Bacic <toma.bacic@...> a écrit :
Since my knowledge of the Martigny - Châtelard - Vallorcine - Saint-Gervais-les-Bains-Le Fayet line is almost non-existent, I have additional questions:
- TMR is the operator and rolling stock owner on the Swiss, and SNCF on the French side, right?
- Swiss side operations (and the new rolling stock) are subsidied by Valais canton and confederation?
- the new Stadler trains will have pantographs and third rail shoes, right?
- are there interoperability on the line - are French trainsets run over the Swiss part of the line and vice versa?

Thank you and regards
toma


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Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.06.2022 um 13:46 schrieb Vincent LE BIHAN:
passengers have sometimes to change trains at the border.
Passengers have mostly to change at the border.

When I last traveled the line, I came up to Vallorcine in a French EMU and changed to a Swiss EMU to continue to Chamonix...
TMR is responsible for the maintenance of all rack equipped EMUs and thus they must regularly come to Vernayaz.

Markus, Gürbetal


KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]
 

Does the french side of the line still Feature the „Fell“ Type additional brake rail ? Are the new Trainsets equipped for this?
Klaus


Guerbetaler
 

Am 21.06.2022 um 19:07 schrieb KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]:
Does the french side of the line still Feature the „Fell“ Type additional brake rail ?  Are the new Trainsets equipped for this? 
No, the Fell rail is long gone.
Markus


Toma Bacic
 

According to the book Les Trains du Mont-Blanc, vol 1, by Jean-Pierre Gide and José Banaudo, there were 6 sections equipped with third Fell rail:
- 2155 m between Chedde and Servoz (90 ‰)
- 1386 m between Servoz and Vaudagne (80 ‰)
- 1580 m between Les Tines and Argentière (70 ‰)
- 1615 m between Argentière and Montroc-Le Planet (70 ‰)
- 530 m between Tunnel des Montets and Le Buet (70 ‰)
- 504 m between Le Buet and Vallorcine (70 ‰)

Rolling stock purchased in 1958 (Z600) was not equipped with Fell braking equipment. The Fell third rail was removed in the 1980s.

regards
toma


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