New Zurich trams finally ordered


Martin Baumann
 

The first car will be delivered to Zürich on November 15th. It is hoped that by the end of next year 10 will have been delivered and by the end of 2021 25

http://www.lokalinfo.ch/news/datum/2019/11/05/bombardier-liefert-flexity-trams-schneller/ (German)


Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.10.2019 um 21:28 schrieb Markus:
Am 08.10.2019 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The first two cars, presumably 4001 and 4002, have been completed and
are currently undergoing dynamic testing in Bautzen. They will be
delivered to Zürich next month
.. but will not enter commercial service before next year. Meanwhile,
and due to defects and collisions, VBZ must reduce the timetable of some
lines. At the moment you might see single cars where double units should
be available.
Line 17 is cancelled and replaced by lines 6 and 10 and line 15 is reduced to 15 min interval. And, as reported, the two Mirages will go to line 13.

See this PDF for a plan before and after
<https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/dam/stzh/vbz/Deutsch/Ueber%20das%20Departement/Medienmitteilungen/2019/Linienschema_def.pdf>


Martin Baumann
 

The diagram on line 17 that may use a Mirage :

1620 ex Salersteig
1657 ex Albisgütli
1745 ex Werdhölzli terminates Bahnhofplatz no passengers beyond this point
1812 ex Bahnhofstrasse to Salersteig


Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.10.2019 um 11:56 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
Are the Mirages that were reintroduced recently still in service, and
if so how long are they expected to stay in use?. Is there any advice
on when and where best to find them?
One car was often seen on line 17 during evening peak hour. The second one seems to usually cover diagram 0811 that leaves from Oerlikon shed at 15:26 to start from Hardturm at 16:01 and 17:23 to Klusplatz and 18:41 to be back in Oerlikon at 19:07 (info from tram n° 138).

Markus, Gürbetal


Chris Wood
 

Markus writes:

Meanwhile, and due to defects and collisions, VBZ must reduce the timetable of some lines. At the moment you might see single cars where double units should be available.
Thanks for the advice. Are the Mirages that were reintroduced recently still in service, and if so how long are they expected to stay in use?. Is there any advice on when and where best to find them?.


Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.10.2019 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The first two cars, presumably 4001 and 4002, have been completed and
are currently undergoing dynamic testing in Bautzen. They will be
delivered to Zürich next month
.. but will not enter commercial service before next year. Meanwhile, and due to defects and collisions, VBZ must reduce the timetable of some lines. At the moment you might see single cars where double units should be available.

Markus, Gürbetal


Martin Baumann
 

The first two cars, presumably 4001 and 4002, have been completed and are currently undergoing dynamic testing in Bautzen. They will be delivered to Zürich next month


OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 02.03.2017 um 20:54 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
Siemens today announced that they will not go to the Bundesgericht either
Again, this is only the suspensive effect which will not be re-established. The final decision of the administrative court is still awaited but as the court said it is unlikely that Siemens or Stadler would be successful. However, in minor points they could.

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/vbz/de/index/aktuelles/Trambeschaffung1.html
"Das Beschwerdeverfahren läuft derweil beim Zürcher Verwaltungsgericht weiter, das in seinem Beschluss vom 10. Februar 2017 mitgeteilt hatte, dass «die Beschwerden bei einer vorläufigen Beurteilung mit einer überwiegenden Wahrscheinlichkeit abzuweisen wären»."

Markus, Gürbetal


Martin Baumann
 

Siemens today announced that they will not go to the Bundesgericht either


VBZ German press release


https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/vbz/de/index/aktuelles/Trambeschaffung1.html


Martin Baumann
 

Stadler will not be taking the case to the Bundesgericht


Siemens have not said anything yet


OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.02.2017 um 20:06 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is? High Court?)
From what I can find there is no equivalent in the UK... as there are no cantons in the UK!

We have a Bundesverwaltungsgericht (in St. Gallen), a federal administrative court, of which the equivalent in the UK is the Administrative Court, itself part of the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court_of_Justice>

The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich is the cantonal equivalent of the Bundesverwaltungsgericht.

Markus, Gürbetal


OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 21.02.2017 um 20:06 schrieb martin98baumann@outlook.com [SwissRail]:
The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is?
High Court?) today rejected the complaints by Stadler and Siemens
No, not so far. The administrative court only denied the suspensive effect, which means that VBZ and Bombardier can go ahead but that a financial compensation for any irregularity in the procedure is still possible. Stadler and Siemens could appeal to the federal court to reinstate the suspensive effect.

Markus, Gürbetal


Martin Baumann
 


Martin Baumann
 

The Verwaltungsgericht Zürich (not sure what the UK equivalent is? High Court?) today rejected the complaints by Stadler and Siemens so that the contract can now be awarded to Bombardier


Martin Baumann
 

Stadler was the only company to tender for the SOB order


Max Wyss
 

The tendering procedure allows objections by the losing bidders. However,
"I did not get the order" is not a sufficient reason for objecting.

The losing bidder placing an objection must have good reasons or even
evidence that the order was not granted according to the terms in the
tendering documents. In other words, that the buyer made the decision NOT
based on the (made available to the bidders) criteria.

In this case here, it could be that the losing bidders think that the
chosen product does not fulfill certain mandatory technical requirements
(which their product does), and therefore got more points than deserved in
that particular criterion.

Max.


csipromo
 

I was wondering whether there has been any objection by Siemens or Bombardier to the selection of Stadler to design the SOB trainsets (Voralpen Express) and now I see that Stadler and Siemens have objected to the VBZ Tram tendering process.

How much of this is real (as in they want to submit a tender offer) and how much of this is the companies playing chess with each other?


Regards


Mike C


Martin Baumann
 


Martin Baumann
 

The order could be subject to further delay. Stadler have exercised their right to have the award of the contract to Bombardier examined independently due to not being satisfied with the earlier independent inquiry and the grounds VBZ/ZVV gave them for not getting the order.


http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/Stadler-Rail-legt-Rekurs-gegen-Tram-Entscheid-ein-17758782 (German)


Andrew Moglestue
 

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It is highly unlikely the full 70 of the option will be realized. I think the number was chosen this high to maintain some flexibility.When the Cobra trams were ordered, the option was also much larger than the extras that were finally ordered.Similarly with the Hess trolleybuses, where I think that of an option of about 21 only 2 were finally ordered.